The ‘bedroom tax’ applies only to people of working age. But it catches some people who would previously have received the state pension at 60. So for instance we have heard from a female tenant who is 59, turns 60 in November, but will not receive a state pension until 2015. We’ll call her Sheila. She was a single mum who has worked all her life but was made redundant early in 2011 and since then has had to claim benefits. Her financial plight is reflected in the fact that she had to get rid of her car because she could not afford to run it.
She is desperately keen to get a job but despite her best efforts she has been unable to get one. Like many people of her age she has suffered age discrimination in the job process.
“One in particular, a reception job, advised me that they very rarely employed people of my age to deal face to face with the general public. That was before we began the interview. Others have asked how I would cope working in ‘a young and dynamic environment’. I have also met other people who are in my age group and even slightly younger who are finding it impossible to get work because they also encounter age discrimination.”
Sheila says “I have lived in this house, which is my home, for 16 years. I have always paid my rent and had my house fully occupied until 2009 when my family left home.” Her son, his partner and her granddaughter lived with her but now have their own home.
So she is a single person in a 3 bedroom Council house. If she were a little older she would not face having her benefits cut – pensioners are excluded. She was born a little ‘too late’ being caught by the change in the state pension age for women. She considers herself “Too old to be employed but too young to be safeguarded from the bedroom tax and being classed as an OAP. Because this pension age has now changed I find myself in no mans land. ”
What does she have to live on? She is on income based job seekers allowance. With £71 a week she is supposed to pay household bills, eat and clothe herself. From next April she will have to pay the Council the 25% cut she will suffer in her Housing Benefit because she is “underoccupying” her home. “This has to be one of the most unjust laws ever created and I would like to think the court of human rights would agree,” she says.
Could she not ‘downsize’? Well, she has lived in her current house for 16 years. She has invested time and money in improving it and not surprisingly she considers it to be her home. She’s happy with the area she lives in. She feels it’s a decent place to live.
“Also now being on my own I feel safe as I know people, I can walk to the shops and my son’s home, if I needed to, is in walking distance. I walk my dog every night around 10-10.30pm and have no fear of being out at that time.”
She has been advised by the Council that she will have to put her name forward for an exchange or a transfer into a smaller property or she will have to pay the tax in April.
“I don’t want to be forced out of my home and it is feels awful to even attempt to begin looking. But I wonder what will happen to anyone who cannot find a smaller property and cannot find the extra money. Are we all to be evicted or prosecuted? The courts will be even busier and cost the council and council tax payer even more money.”
Even if Sheila asks for a move (she only ‘qualifies’ for a one bedroom property according to the ‘bedroom standard’) it might take years before she is offered one because she is one of 775 households which the Council estimates would have to move to a one bedroom property in order not to suffer a cut in their Housing Benefit. However, last year the Council only gave 104 one bedroom tenancies, so even if they did not give tenancies to people on the housing waiting list it could take the best part of eight years to move all the existing tenants who are deemed only to need one bedroom.
Given the shortage of accommodation of the ‘right size’ if Sheila was offered an alternative she might have to move away from the area that she is comfortable with, leaving her neighbours and friends, without knowing what life would be like in an area she didn’t know.
It might fundamentally alter (and potentially worsen) the quality of her life.
If she was offered a one bedroom flat, it would, of course, cost a lot of money to move since her furniture and other belongings would probably be too big for a one bedroom property.1 Of course, Sheila does not have the money to cover such expense.
Sheila will lose over £20 from her £71 because she has two “spare” bedrooms. She will also face losing more of this miserable sum that she is expected to live on. The government is scrapping Council Tax benefit in April 2013 replacing it with a grant to Councils which will cover only 90% of the bill. Councils will have to decide who qualifies for it. However, they will not be allowed to reduce support for “vulnerable” people and pensioners. The exclusion of pensioners will mean that claimants of working age will be hit especially hard, with 20-30% cuts expected. As Sheila and people like her are neither “vulnerable” nor pensioners, she will have to pay out more money from her already reduced job seekers allowance. So she and others will face a double blow.
“I find it sinister that the government is setting a law that reeks of age discrimination. Logically when you think about it they must be aware that the majority of people that will be affected will be in my age bracket. The older person whose family has grown up and moved on, the older person who is unemployed and experiences employment attitudes of being too old to be offered a job. We are a group of forgotten people in this country who seem to have no voice. Regarded as too old to work but too young to retire. How can any government expect the job market to adhere to age laws when it is introducing the bedroom tax law that targets the very people they say should not be discriminated against?”
“I feel so strongly about this not just for myself but for everyone else this is affecting and I am fearful of my future. People like myself are not scroungers and trying to survive on benefits is living hell.”
Sheila has considered taking in a lodger but currently she would lose money from her jobseekers allowance.
She represents one group of people who will be affected by the bedroom tax. We will look at examples of other groups in future articles. Suffice it to say that her example shows the callous and inhuman nature of the policy of the coalition government. When the Council tax cut kicks in she will face living on less than £50 a week. The rich, in contrast, will be facing tax cuts provided care of what Tory MP Nadine Dorries described as “arrogant rich boys who don’t know the price of milk”.
The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock. It cannot work because there are too few homes for people in need of housing, and there are not enough homes of the ‘right’ size. Instead of penalising the poor for a shortage which is not their fault the government should facilitate a new Council house building programme to address the shortage of ‘social housing’.
1 We recently received an email from another tenant who said she had moved from a 3 bedroom house to a two bedroom flat. “This has been quite a large expense as nothing fitted from the house – carpets, curtains, decorating, restoring garden etc.”
Martin Wicks

Hi, could anyone tell me I am a 67 years old and a pensioner I live in social housing in a two bedroom house. Will I have to pay this bedroom tax.
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No Stephanie. Pensioners are excluded.
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As martinwicks said, no, not if you live alone or your partner is also of pension age.
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if your partner is under pension age october they will get uv credit and will have to pay just read it online the person will be forced to claim oap are not safe
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If I have a spare room how much would I ave to pay towards it am bit worried so I am thinking off askin the council to move into a bedroom place thanks
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If you are of working age and you have one ‘spare’ bedroom you will have to pay 14% of the rent.
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I have a spare room Sam, and i’ve been told it will be £11:48 a week, .. which is a huge chunk of my £71 a week jobseekers allowance. You may struggle to find a one bedroom property as they are in short supply. This is just one of the anomolies of this bedroom tax, .. even if you wanted to downsize, and couldn’t find a smaller property, you’d still be expected to pay the extra.
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get to the 38 degrees website and sign the petition to have the bedroom tax stopped and the wefare reform bill dropped.
also goto epetitions online and sign there too
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41600
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What about overcrowded families in one bedroom popertys it’s not about the money it’s about filling the empty bedrooms so if possible to move or do an exchange a council house is no longer for life . i am a pensioner who has also paid a lot of rent in my lifetime
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mave, yes it is all about the money, the reason the bedroom tax has been introduced is to reduce the £20 billion housing benefit bill every year!!! if the government built 2 million houses every year from now on it still would not meet the social housing needs of this country…what about all the government owned empty properties that sit unused, if they were used then the social housing would be solved in months…
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I too am single in a 3 bed housing association house. I have been here for over 20 years now. Both my 2 children are grown and have since moved out. I am mainly house bound due to illness. My rent is in arreaers due to my ex husband not paying with my money before i made him leave, which leaves me in a no win situation. I cannot move, which i would be happy to do until I have paid off the £2,000 debt, they will not let me downsize because of this, but it would mean a lower rent helping me pay the debt off quicker. They will not even let me do a mutual exchange. I will not rent the rooms to strangers as I have been burgled twice after moving in and now have gotten to the stage where I feel safe again. I am only 46 therefore pension is not even in the picture for me. £14.27 per room per week would mean that along with reductions on benefits i would lose another £28 per week leaving me with just £42 a week for bills and to live on. I do not want to end up as a statistic in temp accomodation or a silly little bedsit. I have worked full time since i was 17 years old. This new housing scares the hell out me. I can only sit and wait to see what happens to wether I can keep my home or lose like thousands of others.
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i really don’t like the way the government have depicted us good council tenants as work shy lazy dole cheats, it is a million miles from reality, most of us are decent hard working people who just want to be left alone to get with life, instead we have been made scapegoats, to cloud over the truth of what really is going on…the government are not prepared to build the houses to ease the social housing crises, the will not free up the empty homes either, there are far easier ways of solving the social housing crises and of reducing the deficit than introducing a bedroom tax on already vulnerable people, a tax that is going to do so much damage to families and communities, a tax that has been proven can not work! it worries me that normal decent people believe the propaganda they see on tv and the in the press, it’s just a smoke screen people! to divide communities against each other, your too busy bitching about it all and getting the facts wrong to notice what the government really is up to, they spoon feed you propaganda and you lap it up like kiddies…
the fact is i have a choice, pay the money or take in a lodger, if i pay the money i face a future of going hungry and cold, if i don’t pay i might have to get in a lodger, HOW IS THIS GOING TO FREE UP MUCH NEEDED HOMES FOR FAMILIES…? it isn’t going to is it…?
can anyone tell me a valid point on how this tax is going to work…? PLEASE…
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I lost my private rented home 18 months ago. The landlord finall installed central heating and double glazing but raised the rent nearly double what I paid previously. My benefits didn’t cover it so I became homeless. A friend offered me lodgings so I accepted. 12 months later i got a letter asking how long I envisaged my situation continuing. I contacted my council for help in rehousing as the social appeared unhappy at where I was living. I was told I qualified for a one bedroom property, probably a flat, and would most likely have to leave York. I’ve lived in York for 53 years and am facing fairly severe ill health issues yet I am being pushed to move and isolate myself from family and friends. A truly caring society we have now, I don’t think. The Nazis were at least honest in their ethnic cleansing and persecution of the old, ill and disabled. A last twist of the knife, if a person gets benefits and takes in a lodger to help pay the bedroom tax, they’ll take the lodgers rent off your benefits.
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Sorry to hear that Dave. It only goes to show the stupidity of the coalition government in looking to private rent to overcome the shortage. Rents are much higher and it will drive the housing benefit bill up.Whether Council tenant or homeless they seem to think we can be pushed around from pillar to post. It’s the moern equivalent of the poor laws.
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I believe that that’s pretty much what the ConDems want. Us back in the dark ages. The roads and railways reduced to being the domain of the rich. People crowded into cheap and substandard housing because they have no choice. Working for subsistence wages. Dying again through poverty related illness. Closing hospitals so people live further away from emergency life saving care. Watch ‘World without End’ on TV because that’s where we are heading with this government. What makes it worse is, there are many worse off than I, yet we are impotent to do anything about it. All the harm done will stay because no incoming government will change it. Even then, what choices in parties do we have? They have all been as bad as each another.
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i am a dingle mum who hhas been working 40 hour weeks trying to build up my business which is at a loss i ook a second job on to pay bill as i have been putting my working tax money back into my business. i have a 3 bedroom house 3 doors away from where i was raised and that my mum live, i have been on the exchange list for a smaller house for years because of domestic abuse issues yet im still waiting . this bedroom tax may punish the people to give up their big home they dont need but wouldnt it be fair to just move people into homes of the right size and offer help with moving rather than ending up with pushing the working class who still claim housing benifit into poverty i want to move but someone give me a 2 bedroom house ive even looked down south so should me and my son be punished even though we have been through enough trauma in our lives thank you government snap on your people when they are trying to make something of themselves
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The thing is Kerryann the ‘right size’ is based on what is a flawed ‘bedroom standard’. It takes no account of the usual life cycle. What sense does it make to put a young couple in a one bed place when as soon as they have a child they will have to be moved into a 2 bed place (if one is available), and might have to move again if they have more kids. Then when they leave home the parents are ‘under-occupying’ and would have to be moved again. High levels of moving actually costs Councils money in ‘voids’ because they lose rent if the property needs work on it.
The BT is not really about ‘spare’ bedrooms but punishing people on benefit, trying to starve them into smaller homes or into work. I, like many people who pay full rent, am technically ‘under-occupying in a two bed house, but we don’t get stung because we are not in receipt of HB.
We need to challenge the ‘bedroom standard’. It’s a nonsense. There is no substitute for building new Council homes, that’s the way to deal with the shortage.
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I am in this terrible situation and it frightens me to death my health is not good I fear this will only make things worse then the NHS will pick up extra bills!! Also the government work out a set amount for us who are not benefit to live on, so if we pay the bedroom tax we are surely then classed as being on the poverty bread line!!!!! It sinks there must new a way form people to get a group together and fight. All our fathers, grandfathers fought in wars to make a better place what for. I have worked most of my life, the prospect of moving terrifies me.
Someone help us all.
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What town do you livee in Angel? Do you know about the Anti-Bedroom Tax website? You might be able to contactsomebody in your area on that?
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according to Lord Freud HA’S can re-define their properties,as most of the smallest bedrooms would measure less than 70sqft, which in the private sector is not classed as a bedroom but as a boxroom, so why should we have to pay tax on a bedroom that is not a bedroom
“””On Friday 7 December at Redhill Magistrates Court, Mr Mohammad Sarwar, Redhill, was convicted of breaching an overcrowding notice serviced on him under the Housing Act 2004.
Mr Sarwar is the landlord of 75 Knighton Road, Redhill, which is a house in multiple occupation (HMO) where rooms are individually let with access to a shared kitchen and bathroom. One room in the property, measuring 4.5 metres squared, was deemed too small for letting in 2007. However, on 28 March 2012, Environmental Health Officers found that the room was occupied.
I have emphasised the size above and of course the news release is wrong and must mean 4.5 square metres which is or could be 7 feet 5 inches by 6 feet 6 inches; whereas 4.5 metres squared is 14’9″ by 14’9″ which by any definition is a bedroom and quite a large one.
7 feet 5 by 6 feet 6 inches is in lay terms a boxroom and not a bedroom and as this news release says is ‘too small’ to be occupied.””
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quote from above link
“”I always though pensioners were exempt from the bedroom tax but this is apparently NOT the case. Unless the information I read has been changed since June 2012 and I can find no evidence that it has pensioners will be hit with a £75m per year bedroom tax.
In April it only needs one member of a couple to be a pensioner (in receipt of Pension or Pension Credit) to exempt the household from the bedroom tax. However under Universal Credit it needs BOTH partners to be in receipt of Pension or Pension Credit to be exempt from the bedroom tax”””
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I used to live in Great Britain but I guess now it’s just England, Wales and Scotland and Northern ireland. The Great has gone forever. People around the world call it the UK (United Kingdom) I guess that’s gone too as we are so divided it is disgusting. If this doesn’t blow up in everyone’s faces, then that’s a miracle. Personally, I believe this will lead to anarchy being prevalent in England. Time I think will tell. An English man’s home is his castle? Where did we go so wrong? It tears my heart to read the desperation in these stories.
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i have a question to ask when i receive my statement of benefit from the job centre it very clearly states on it you are to receive £70.60 a week as from the 1st of April 2013 this is because how much the government legally say you need to live on so if im to pay bedroom tax at nearly £15 and may have to pay my own council tax without the 25% discount for being a single occupant which means nearly another £15 that means im left with £40.00 ish after paying £10 electric £6.50 tv licence leaves £23.50 then i got to buy food and pay for petrol for my car that the job centre want me to have to look for work also pay for phone line to make calls for jobs as part of my job seekers agreement and pay for broadband as part of my job seekers agreement then the question is surly at what point do i turn round and declare bankruptcy and move out the flat to live in the street as cant afford so called (charitable or affordable housing) ?
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Have a try for the Discretionary Housing Payment Gary. You may not get it but it’s worth a try.
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gary, when the government work out the benefit payment for the average person 40% of that is to cover things like debts etc, so they can legally cut anyones benefit by 40% i believe
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dave,i think the councils should stand up to the torys .who is going to hous;e the estimated three to four million comeing into britain more or less around the same date as that lovely new poll tax?
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According to the S326 housing Act 1985, if a bedroom is between 50-70sqft it should only house half a person, so why should I be charged full rate BT for my smallest room 68sqf, everyone affected by the bedroom tax should challenge their HA/Councils
Table2
Click to access overcrowding%20excerpt.pdf
(4) The Secretary of State may by regulations prescribe the
manner in which the floor area of a room is to be ascertained
for the purposes of this section. In addition, the regulations
may provide for the exclusion from computation, or the
bringing into computation at a reduced figure, of floor space
in a part of the room that is of less than a specified height not
exceeding eight feet.
(5) Regulations under subsection (4) shall be made by statutory
instrument that shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of
a resolution of either House of Parliament.
(6) A certificate of the local housing authority stating the number
and floor areas of the rooms in a dwelling, and that the floor
areas have been ascertained in the prescribed manner, is
prima facie evidence for the purposes of legal proceedings of
the facts stated in it.
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Have you drawn this to the attention of your Council Pat?
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Hi Martin, i contacted my HA last year, when i found info re size of bedroom criteria, they told me it only applys to HMO, i was not aware of this S326 housing Act 1985, at the time, i am going to email them them today, will keep you updated, ps i also asked them last year if they would be freezing their rents, as i was told last year that i would have to pay at least £21.40 per wk BT, that amount was based on the rent for april2012/april2013, so if they increase their rents again from april2013 my bedroom tax payment will be higher than £21.40, my HA told me they will not be freezing their rents
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Cheers Pat.
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Dear mr cameron or who ever made up the stupid idea of bedroom tax… Why dont you get off your lazy government funded behind and look at the big picture . if you cut housing benifit for people that have an extra bedroom they will only move to another house which housing benifit will pay even more than the last with bedroom tax. so really the government is back to square one paying even more money out . why dont you learn? you go home to your steak and chips and others have to suffer. you are what is called a puppet. please feel free to email me idiot
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I’d like to add to the comments above. The problem started with the right to buy! I do not agree with this policy, it would of worked if the Thatcher government had allowed councils to build replacement homes with the money earned for selling off this old stock. But like most of her policies she did not think of the long term effects of such polices, Less home to rent meant less income and so the so called poll tax had to be increased and increased. Have people forgotten how many homes where repossessed under this the right to buy scheme? This is just another Tory quick fix without thinking it through. Instead of these quick fixes we need to build more social housing and not just homes to buy but social housing to rent, then councils would have more income from rents. This would have the effect of also kick starting the construction industry, creating more work which in turn gets people of benefits and the best part, would in turn kick start the economy. But because of a lack of suitable homes and over crowding in and around London the governments answer to this problem is to tax those that social housing was meant help. This is the Conservatives answer to all their problems, “TAX THE POOR” and protect the rich. If you think the bedroom tax is unjust then sign the petitions organize a march but I can tell you now, this is just the beginning, wait until the new Universal credit comes in to being.?. The only way to stop these attacks on our homes is to let your councilor know by not voting for him/her. I’m sorry if this is starting to sound like a Tory bashing but history has proved that they are a party for the well off minority of the populous and not a party for everyone. If you agree then we need to organize our efforts by joining the petitions and organizing protest marches. Remember this government was not elected, they have no mandate to make these changes but because we are fragmented they will win and continue to make all our lives a misery.
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‘Social landlords don’t have to collect the bedroom tax’
Current claims that the bedroom tax will increase the housing benefit bill by forcing under occupiers into the private sector are one dimensional. Social landlords do have choices on whether to pass on under occupancy charges. It’s a question of whether they do the maths and calculate the impact on their business and customers says Peter Hall, Managing Director of PHHS.
Lord Freud, the welfare reform minster, suggested last year that reclassifying property sizes for those to be hit by the bedroom tax may be an option some social landlords could consider. It was widely panned, but as Albert Einstein said: “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it”. The idea of reclassifying property sizes for those to be hit by the bedroom tax may seem absurd, but do the maths; think of the social and economic consequences for existing tenants and the areas they live in, and it becomes less absurd, and more of a rational response.
No phased roll out
When the housing benefit cap was introduced in the private sector last year, there was a grace period for existing tenants until their claim was reviewed, while new claimants faced the cap from the outset. The logical step would have been to follow suit in the social housing sector, but there is no such grace period for existing working age social housing tenants – other than the 12 months landlords have had to identify, inform, and work with the 670,000 households and individuals who will be affected from next April.
Yet we know there aren’t enough alternative 1 bed properties for the 400,000 of those who only qualify for them, and there are only 60,000 relets of existing 1 bed properties per year across the sector. Even if all 1 beds were only allocated to under occupiers ad infinitum from now on, some would wait for 7 years while being charged as much as £25 a week from an income of as little as £75 from next April . Add on council tax, utilities, other bills and existing debts, and it clearly becomes an impossible and unaffordable situation for many.
Impact in the North
We also know the impact will be worst in the North – hit by higher levels of underoccupation and by other benefit cuts already made or yet to be felt such as changes to ESA, tax credits, incapacity benefit and council tax. Recent estimates are that working age households will face an additional £4.50 per week in council tax, while across the North East, 50,000 under occupiers will need to pay an additional £30m p.a. in rent. The government’s Discretionary Housing Payments (DHP) funding currently stands at a possible £1.25m p.a.across the North East – leaving a shortfall of at least £28m in potential help for under occupiers. This won’t improve much even when the promised DHP increases kick in this April. Durham County Council has estimated the impact of welfare reform as a whole on the local economy in 2013 at £150m – worse in following years. That’s £150m less money going into local pockets, businesses and services when it already has the highest worklessness and the lowest job creation rates in the country.
Why make a bad situation worse?
The published draft HB regulations applicable from this April clarify proposals for landlords to define how many bedrooms a property has, and for local authorities to interpret that.
Landlords also have legislative and regulatory flexibility to charge lower rents. The target rent regime they all operate to defines a ‘maximum’ rent, while the HCA’s Value for Money regulatory standard expects all landlords to take ‘a view in the round of the optimum sustainable performance of all their assets – including for example financial, social and environmental returns – in the context of meeting their organisation’s purpose and objective’s’.
In line with those requirements there is clearly scope to review whether full rents for under occupiers from next April is a sustainable option delivering social returns which meet organisations purpose and objectives. And let’s face it, the differential between rents for 1 bed and 3 bed properties are fairly marginal across the sector – probably less than the £14 per bedroom which is intended to be deducted from tenant’s benefits.
Some landlords will be in a better position than others to consider this. The housing association sector as whole recorded a surplus of £1.1bn last year (c.f. the estimated £480m of extra payments to be collected from under occupiers), but there are widespread variations in ‘profitability’ and capacity to do something different which PHHS highlighted in December last year. Loan covenants and self financing assumptions for councils may also prevent some from even considering it – together with fears surrounding further loss of income from Universal Credit and Direct Payments.
The bean counters in the sector state that reclassifying property on a significant scale will affect loan covenants and valuations. It would if it was long term and significant, but temporarily changing the tenancy agreement to state a smaller number of bedrooms and charging a lower rent isn’t going to affect the long term existing use or open market valuation of a property. There are lots of everyday examples where this already happens – e.g. decanting tenants and charging differential rents for secure and protected tenants in their portfolios.
Some tenants will also undoubtedly pay their additional bedroom tax contributions. A Wirral partnership Homes survey last year suggested that as many as 50% will. But many won’t or won’t be able to as we’ve seen in recent press coverage , leaving landlords in a difficult predicament. Take them to court for non payment, or write off the arrears on a case by case basis? A significant increase in court cases will lead to an impasse for the court system, and how will judges interpret compliance with the Civil Procedure Rules when there are no alternatives other than homelessness for some long standing tenants who have previously paid their rent?
Do the maths
Landlords need to start doing the maths – at least for year one of the changes. The average extra cost per under occupying tenant will be £676 per year based on an average of £14 per week additional payments. Once the extent of under occupation is known (and many haven’t got that far yet) , they should work out the potential loss of income from non payment , versus the additional staff time and costs in collecting rents, enforcing non payment, incentivising downsizing (costing some up to £10,000) and supporting tenants through the options etc. If the additional costs are more than the average of £676 per affected property, landlords should think rationally about the alternatives.
For some, temporarily reclassifying property sizes will be a rational business decision which will also have direct positive social and economic impacts for affected tenants and their wider communities – putting money back into customers and community’s hands. Liverpool Mutual Homes was the first of what may be many to do so – planning to pay the bedroom tax for under occupying tenants who complete training programmes or voluntary activities on its estates on a something for something basis.
At its simplest and most transparent, reclassification could be on a universal time limited and conditional basis for those affected – giving breathing space for landlords and tenants to work through alternatives such as downsizing, taking in lodgers ,finding or undertaking additional hours work. In the North, with 20% turnover of tenancies a year common in a lot of areas, a normal position could be reached by year 5. At the very least, reclassification could be income based: for example, based on the individual contributions which may be required as a % of income and what is affordable.
Objectives, purpose and values?
Whatever individual social landlord’s objectives, purpose and values are, they should think twice about whether any existing investment plans for new homes, improving stock or ‘social value’ activities will deliver more benefits for the local economy than what will be taken out via the bedroom tax.
Last year’s NHF ‘Building Futures’ report identifies £500m per year spent across the sector on investing in communities – helping people manage their money and get out of debt, job skills classes, youth enterprise projects, apprenticeships and skills training programmes etc. That’s roughly the same amount that will be taken out of existing tenants pockets nationally via the bedroom tax. The recent trend of ‘social value’ reports identifying how much landlords contribute to their local economy may also be of use to someone, but pale in significance compared to the direct economic and social impact putting money back into tenant’s pockets and local communities will deliver particularly in the North.
Loan covenant and business plan assumptions may also not be breached if any loss in income through reclassification is matched by reduced expenditure or operating costs elsewhere to compensate for it – ideally prioritised with all tenants in the spirit of the value for money standard.
Social and economic black hole or new dawn?
Under occupation charges could be a black hole or a new dawn for both tenants and social landlords. The social impact is becoming clear from recent press coverage. Evaluating whether under occupation charges are passed on is a rational response to an ill thought through big bang policy change. While the principle of reducing rents may seem like an anathema to many, so did developing without grant until recently. It may seem absurd, but as Albert Einstein also said, doing the same things in the same way and expecting different results were his definition of insanity.
http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2013-02-14-Opinion-Social-landlords-don-t-have-to-collect-the-bedroom-tax
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makes interesting reading, the more i find out about the bedroom tax the more i realise how idiotic it is, there are far easier ways of reforming social housing, ones that everyone can embrace, enjoy and understand fully and that are fair across the board…
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Bedroom Tax does affect pensioners from April 2013! Oh what a tangled WEBB we weave Minister
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It affects those on Universal Credit where currently one person is of retirement age, but under UC you will both have to be of retirement age to avoid having to pay it. But they are trialling UC in some areas to begin with.
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It affects those on Universal Credit where currently one person is of retirement age, but under UC you will both have to be of retirement age to avoid having to pay it. But they are trialling UC in some areas to begin with.
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This is one big crime making people lose there homes or pay more tax on bedrooms Why not cut down on the footballplayers wages allthe do is fight and spit on the field Do we really need the oylpics why not build more homes all this awards they give out all cost moeny sure these poor people could not care less also all these people in high places give your self a pay cut Why do you need people to drive you around to many cuts in the wrong place-
give ordenery people a chance the ones that have worked for there money
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Tenants avoid bedroom tax after Knowsley reclassifies homes
15/02/2013
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenancies/tenants-avoid-bedroom-tax-after-knowsley-reclassifies-homes/6525752.article#commentsubmitted
also covered on this link
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/02/
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Bedroom Tax – significant new developments and challenges emerge
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http://www.causes.com/actions/1712819-stop-the-vacant-bedroom-charges
109,725 have signed it already signed please add your name also
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Tried to sign but will not let me!
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IDS just lied his way through the Sunday politics show , he was asked if pensioners will be affected by the BT, the lying f**ker said NO, why will he not tell the truth and say YES, they will be affected if they have a working age partner
The rules are laid out in a document drawn up last year.
It was prepared by the Chartered Institute for Housing and called ‘Making It Fit’.
Under the Older Claimants section it says pensioners will be exempt.
The document confirms: “People who have already reached state pension credit age by April 2013 will not be subject to the size criteria.
“A couple are not subject to size criteria where the eldest member has attained state pension credit age, even if the younger member is still of working age.”
But it reveals things will change in October. And it says new claimants in a mixed-age household will be hit – bringing 67,000 households in range of the tax.
The document adds: “When Universal Credit is introduced in October 2013, it is likely, for new claimants, both will be treated as working age and subject to size criteria until they have both reached qualifying age for state pension.”
Research carried out by the Chartered Institute of Housing shows 67,000 mixed-age households on housing benefit in the UK
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pensioners-will-suffer-bedroom-tax-1713692
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OOP’S not sunday politics it was the andrew marr show
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does anyone know a relative of Guy Fawks,could really do with their help right now.
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I live in York. Have you got an address Del? I’ll call round straight away! See if they’re busy!
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No age discrimination at all!! Why should you have 1 or more extra bedrooms that are not being used when there’s people that are having to sleep in the front room were there’s not enough bedrooms! Who cares that u paid your rent on time. So do I but I’m still having to sleep in the front room in an upstairs flat with a baby and a young child.
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Joanne you are falling for the government’s propaganda. The BT doesn’t apply to pensioners and people who pay their full rent. Two thirds of homes with ‘spare’ bedrooms are not affected by the legislation. Moreover, it affects families with children in a preposterous fashion. Consider a single parent with 2 children living in a 3 bedroom house. To avoid paying the BT they would have to downsize to a 2 bed. Then when one child reaches 16 (if they are the same sex) they would have to move back to a 3 bed place. When the first child leaves home they would have to move back into a 2 bed house. When both are gone the parent would have to move into a 1 bed property. Do you think this is sensible or fair?
The fact is there aren’t enough small properties to move people into. In Swindon there are more than 5,000 households that ‘qualify’ for a 1 bed property. At the current rate of lets annually, it would take more than 50 years to accommodate all these people. It would take more than six years to move all those suffering the bedroom tax, into 1 bed properties, but only if nobody on the waiting list but given a place. In other words the BT will worsen the situation of those on the list!
You problem and that of others will only be addressed if there is a new Council house building programme on a sufficient scale to start putting the waiting list (1.8 million families) into reverse.
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Please note that my comments are not aimed at everyone. Many people like myself will be able to adjust to the Universal payment and cope well, but many will not.
The Universal payment is going to cause so much suffering to children. At the moment where housing benefit goes strait to the landlords the parents of children do not have to think about rent. But what ‘some’ do think about is ‘pay day’. Many people have gas and electric cards and also pay as you go mobile phones. Sadly they often put cigarettes, alcohol and their phone before anything else. What ever is left goes on food and other essenstials.( Well I like to think so).
At the moment many who get their money every 2 weeks are broke in the 2nd week and have nothing. But when they are given their monthly money that includes their rent, they will spend it on more cigarettes and alcholol and the kids will be the ones at the end of the day to suffer.
Many people on benefits do not know how to handle money and are set in a routine of their own and often spending their benefit as soon as they get it. But when the Universdal Credit come in 3 weeks is a long time to wait on thin air.
Many people will get into arrears with rent very very quickly and as much as they try they will never be able to get out of the arrears.
Some families will not cope with the Universal payment and no matter how they try they will still end up broke and desperate for food etc because they are so used to getting it every 2 weeks.
The Government are not really aware of how many people have no understanding of money and how to budget. It going to be the kids who suffer and yet they are the innocent ones.
But I stress there are those who will cope well and my comments are not meant to offend. I know myself how tough life can be, but thankfully my kids have all over 18.
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Y right lot of people r going 2 suffer…but this gov couldn’t care less as long as they r nice & warm & cosy in there homes + second homes gettin all there expensive’s paid… Never ever thought things would come 2 this …. Guess there will be a lot of people on the street in a few months … How can the gov do this when they know fine well there is no smaller houses ect …. It’s the most evil disgusting thing a gov has ever done !
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lets all vote next time now we have seen that they let just any c**t do the job
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Unfortunately, next time will be to late. Look at how much damage they’ve done thus far. By the time of the next election can you imagine how much damage will be done. The next lot won’t be able to undo the bedroom tax because it will cost to much. We need action now. It’s time to stop writing about how bad things are and take to the streets. Sorry if I seem angry, I am. I lived through the Thatcher years and never dreamed it could ever be worse.
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im sorry but a dont agree the goverment have finally woken up, generations are doing what so many others do, claiming benefits for a easy ride so its a evil rollercoaster and finally it will stop, its time to teach the next generation you get out of life what you put in, financial aid from the goverment should only be used for people who really need it on medical grounds,and people who have paid ni and taxes for years that get laid off, you should get what you put in and if parents are buying cigs and alcohol before bills and food why the hell do they have kids!!
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And what about those people who hve ‘put in’ Lou? Do you really think that most people on benefit are ‘scroungers’? There are nearly a million people on HB who are in work. Two thirds of those households affected by the BT have a disabled person in them. The BT catches those who have paid in and get caught by redundancy or ill-health. I think the bankers have done more damage than a few skivers, don’t you?
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I get help with my HB and I am quite confused as to whether I will have to pay the extra Bedroom tax next year when my oldest goes to uni. I have read that I would still be entitled to the bedroom for him if he plans to come home in i.e the holidays,but I phoned my local council help line up and they said that I would more than likely not be entitled to a bedroom for him! Could anyone clarify this as the helpline person said that he was just as ‘in the dark’ as me!
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Well just heard they have changed some of the rules 4 some people so maybe u will escape … But don’t think it’s fair on anyone havin 2 pay this extra money 4 spare bedrooms …it will be impossible 4 me 2 pay an extra £100 a month …I am earnin £35 a week at the moment out of that I have 2 pay £10.50 expences so where r we goin 2 find that kind of money is this gov living on this planet ????
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well i’m one of those who have put in years and years of hard graft, working in poor conditions with no proper regard to health and safety for years, to the detriment of my own health. it astonishes me that people actually believe there are hundreds of thousands of scroungers out there, it’s just not true, there are far far more tax dodgers and white collar criminals out there than people coining benefits, you need to turn off your television sets, put down those tabloids and stop believing government propaganda, it’s the GOVERNMENTS fault and previous governments fault for not building enough social housing, it’s also their fault for allowing irregular trading of shares so people could get into massive debts, it’s also their fault for breeding resentment and dividing people by blaming the poor and vulnerable through mass media coverage, you can’t blame people for having children, it happens, how many children do you know that are planned, love isn’t like that i’m afraid, i resent being labeled a scrounger who spends all my benefit on booze and fags, the reality is it’s just not true…
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When I was younger (During the Thatcher years) when jobs where scarce, I worked my hardest to make ends meet, I often worked 16 hrs and in some instances worked 2 jobs. I had just started a new job with a large company working for a lot less than the others in the same position, when I was diagnosed with kidney disease which put me in and out of hospital all the time. And because of this I had to give up work meaning I had to rely on benefits. Now I’m classed as a scrounger. I think you will find there are very few scroungers out there, unfortunately there are a few but don’t treat everyone the same, don’t believe the what the media tells you, open your eyes, Henry is right, since the introduction of the right to buy, no where near the amount of social housing was built to replace them, instead,our lands were sold off to allow private companies to build more homes for sale, instead of the low cost social housing that is still needed. Have you forgotten about all those families that had their homes repossessed after buying their council homes? All those fractured families. And last but not least, what about all those homes across the country that are boarded up and left to become derelict? Now instead of of putting the millions of pounds set aside for discretionary housing payments and giving India all those millions to build them homes, they should of put that money into doing up all those homes and start building more Social houses because more people rent their homes than buy. Instead all of you that believe those of us on benefits are at fault for this debacle wake up and stop believing everything you read in the Liberal media & in particular don’t believe what the government tells you..
This government has increased the national debt despite their austerity measures.
One last thought, there are about 63 million people living in this country, I could cure the benefits situation in a heart beat. Imagine if you would, the government paid all of those people 1 million pound, a one off payment costing the government 63 million. How many people would need benefits then? You could live off the interest alone. Just a thought in case I ever started a political party and decided to run for President, How many votes do you recon I’d get with a campaign promise like that? lol.
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The system was designed for us to benefit from our National Insurance and taxes- or the prospect of paying those contributions; it is incumbent on government to supply the means to pay those contributions by supplying jobs, not destroying industries as happened in the 1980’s.
The system is also not really self-financing, which is why some pay- or should pay- more according to their ability to pay. It is expected that some will need more than others- so some will pay more than others and receive less than others. It is or should be an altruistic system into which one pays in the hope you will mnot need it, but that it will be there if you do.
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Rita,I agree with you wholeheartedly…For some, it will be like having a small lottery win..There are thousands upon thousands and with all due respect,who will NOT have a clue how to budget their money…The legacy of both the Labour and Conservative governments..There will be anarchy!
Broken Britain….A wasteland of forgotton people.
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After doing some careful accounting, I will have £0.00 left per week, Come 1st April (no this is not an April fools joke) I will have to turn my gas off, this will be ok during the summer months but winter is something else.
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i will have nothing at all left at the end of the month, in fact i’m sure i can’t afford to survive, it’s no joke, even if i did downsize, both will see me in deep troubles, i just had to beg to pay my gas bill, i only heat one room and i cook on gas and shower every other day, my biggest worry is i can not afford to attend my hospital appointments in the future, i have to travel to a specialist hospital and it costs what i don’t have, i’m very worried…
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There is a lot of people Henry that’s goin 2 have no money at all 2 pay 4 gas / elec it’s just impossible 2 pay this B/T .. I’m workin part time I will not have enough 2 pay out 4 food , heatin , petrol 4 my car & I need my car the job I am in some weeks I don’t have any hrs … I guess we will all end up starving ….cold …then the gov will be happy hope they will pay 4 my ‘our’ funerals because I we won’t have a penny left . I feel sick every day thinking how this is possible how can anyone do this … God u read about hitla but this gov (Camron ) is not much better what an evil man ( we r all in it together what a laugh ) …….
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http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2013/02/how-every-mp-voted-in-tonights.html
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over 1200 people turned out in bootle to protest against the bedroom tax
http://www.demotix.com/news/1834285/bedroom-tax-demonstration-bootle-merseyside#media-1834263
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Hundreds join Liverpool bedroom tax protest
The protest is the biggest demonstration so far against the bedroom tax, under which social housing tenants of working age are deducted housing benefit if they have spare rooms. Left-wing thinktank Labour Left is organising a day of action on 16 March and is hoping to arrange demonstrations in 16 cities across Great Britain.
Something to check out next wk , read end of article
“”See next week’s Inside Housing for an analysis of the bedroom tax protests and what they could mean for social landlords.”””
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/tenancies/hundreds-join-liverpool-bedroom-tax-protest/6525974.article
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this story is simlar to what i faced in 2006 after loseing my husband to cancer haveing been a carer for a few years.i was two years of pension age.all the money we had coming in was my husbands pension disability and carers so on top of loseing my husband i had nothing to live on yet had same bills.i had £80 a week for a year so gave up my house and went to work at butlins for a while.it was a nightmare surviving till i had my pension.i really feel for sheila.
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phil nunn
Mar 01, 2013 @ 23:58:42
im a 43 yrd old disabled man i cant work and up until recently i got full council tax and rent allowance. now they are saying i have to pay a percentage of both because im single and i have 1 too many bedrooms. i took this bungalow because it was the only option available except a 1 bedroom house which is unsuitable for me as im confined to a wheelchair. i dont want to leave the village i live in because ive lived here sincer i was six and my whole life is here ie my family and friends and not to mention my support network. this situation is completely unfair and im at my wits end
Phil
I reckon you can build a good case for a discretionary payment to cover the shortfall. Speak to your local CAB, if you can actually get to talk to someone nowaday’s and ask for their help. If you get no help from them try a disability group. A letter from your Doctor would help to support it.
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I am a bolsolver district council tennant my husband is disabled and we have approched the council about moving into a single bedroom bungalow, i am happy to move out of my 3 bedroom property as my family have all grown and flown the nest, but we have been told that we cannot get a bungalow until my husband has turned 50 in 2 years time, this is crazy surely if they want 3 bedroom houses they could change the ages for bungalows.
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a tax is what someone pays to the government, a benefit is something one receives..a benefit reduction just means one receives less…whilst on the subject can you explain why Housing Benefit claimants in private rented sector can’t have a spare room but it’s ok for council tenants?
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Yes it’s a cut in HB. The ‘bedroom standard’ on which the ‘bedroom tax’ is based (or the ‘under-occupation’ rules, if you prefer) is stupid, It takes no ac count of real life. A couple with 2 children would have to move homes 4 times. What is a ‘spare’ room one day, isn’t the next, depending on the age of your children. Of course, given the shortage of homes, people will be unable to move about like this, so even if they have asked for a move and there isn’t one available, they will still have to pay.
Are you in favour of people having to pay, when there is somebody sleeping in the ‘spare’ room because of disability or medical reasons? Are you in favour of foster parents having to pay for a ‘spare’ room, even though a foster child is sleeping in it?
The government is happy to impoverish poor people, yet at the same time they are desperate to stop action against bankers’ bonuses. This shows where their priorities lie.
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Excellent article by Joe Halewood, everyone affected by the bedroom tax needs to read this,
If every tenant appeals the bedroom tax will go – Direct action is needed
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I hope not!
If the UK ends up bankrupt, what will all the people grumbling about a reduction in the free money they receive from the government do?
They will receive no free money at all!
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UK bankrupt? So you are saying that those reliant on benefits, working and none-working should be penalised for the failings of banks and governments, those who by definition cannot afford to lose any more money while £21 Trillion- yes, TRILLION sits idling in offshore accounts, earned in the UK yet not paying UK taxes? I know who I believe should pay; I know the reason for the failing economy- and in isn’t the few billion pounds at most that might be saved (if the admin and other ancillary costs do not outweigh the savings), it is the billions of pounds going to offshore accounts, with the sanction of the government and the trillions already there.
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Sample letter for us all to use to appeal against housing benefit reduction re bedroom tax by Joe Halewood
Dear Sirs,
I received your decision letter dated INSERT DATE and referenced above that imposed an under occupation charge, or bedroom tax of 14% / 25% (delete as appropriate) on my existing award of Housing Benefit.
I consider this unwarranted yet in order to challenge this in the correct way and potentially by way of formal appeal I require further information to be sent to me within 7 days of this letter and the urgency of that is to ensure I have enough time to formulate any such appeal and in full knowledge of the facts of my case within the time allowed; OR in the alternative I request the deadline for any such formal appeal be moved to 21 days after I receive the request information below:
1. A written copy of the Council’s policy and decision-making procedures in relation to referring a socially housed claimant decision to the Rent Officer Service.
2. A full explanation of how the council decided that (INSERT ADDRESS) was determined to be a 3 bed property for the under occupation charge and this to include what involvement if any of my landlord, (INSERT LANDLORD NAME) in this process.
Please state by way of covering letter with the requested information any changed deadline date from above with regard to a formal appeal.
Yours etc
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
We all need to appeal once we receive our formal letters
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ok, the bedroom tax starts in about a weeks time, my council has just increased my rent by 10%, i have to find this tax and 8% of my council tax, i have no money at all! there are still loads of things i don’t understand, i need a full explanation of the rules! if i take in a lodger do i just charge that person the shortfall? will i get into trouble if i only charge the lodger the extra amount the government want? will having a lodger who works full time mean i have to charge them full rent? my council did have a meeting to discuss this but i was too ill to attend, where do i find out this information? i have tried talking to my council but they seem to have less idea than me…
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https://www.facebook.com/?r=1300000#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ Have you seen our group? Lots of info and advice ………….
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i’ve had my official bills in this week, my weekly rent will now be £21.32 per week and my council tax £17.00, i have to find an extra £33.00 per week!!!!!!!! i thought it was going to be £20.00 at the very most, i just don’t have it…
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as of next week i will have to pay £38 from my benefits towards rent and council tax, i’m so worried, i can’t afford that, for those on £71 a week it will be impossible to survive…
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Iv bin in my home for ova 18yrs like shelia am down it makes sence 2 me i cudt even say if we av 1 bed flats SHOOK HORROW the few i new bout woz turned in to 4 / 5 beds a bout 4yr ago ! Im extra worried coz theyr trying get ova £650 arrears from 1999 its neva gone down its there mistake iv try’d 2 challage it but no joy afta a baylif rang me 2000/01 its not bin mentiond till the social lost sum my paperwork , Hows that my failt that amount is i coz i cudt say a date my son 18 woz living ! Even though my son offerd 2 ring or go in his dad paid tax that same year i didt want any hassle asking my X for is new address They made me take a letter in n sign it there , If neva the normal people that any kinda help the people that earn a cushy wage THEY WONT MISS UP 2 £50 they prop giv it the kids as pocket ,sumthing so nasty is guna appen n the mp’s witch most we dont need, then the police wil get slatted its not round that twit i cant see runing the work ova U.K chase the dam banks free up money n i mean not all staf just the IDIOTS that think they got it hard them in there grands suit on He still luks a BLEEP lol yeah i get wound up ha ha P.S that doc that got sum ladys BOOBS done He shud pay that BILL wot did he get of am thinking , i cant av pain injections wen i need them Then mps wanna live on a benefit the whole family BING FILMED
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You ok Missjayne?
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Juliett thank q it woz nice of you to ask am i ok im so confused afta reading a booket bout wot n how bing in a c-tax band a bracket n band b they will be classed as both bing band A lol iv just sin JULIE M’s comments soz but yeah people will lose the roofs as iv got an balifits eviction notice on 23rd may Iv got till the 13th june I WIV MY BELONGS NEED 2 BE OUT !!!
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I’m sorry but this IS ‘social housing’ at the end of the day. It needs to provide suitable homes for those who need it most. Unless a person has severe disability where spare bedroom is absolutely necessary, or the person is very old etc., I think the bedroom tax IS fair. There are LOTS of people who have families where they have say teenagers & younger children sharing a room. Do you think its right or fair for a teenage boy to be sharing his room with his 2 year old sister and keep it that way until he’s almost an adult, ready to move out!!! I think NOT!
May I also add a lot of people are saying that they are being ‘kicked out’ of their homes and there aren’t enough 1 or 2 bedroom properties available – RUBBISH!!! People are just being too fussy – only wanting to move to a houses or EOT properties, or only if it has a large garden and so on and so on… they are not prepared to look at all the other options out there!
There are loads of websites where people can exchange their properties for a larger or small place AND within their current areas you just have to be prepared to compromise which may mean looking at downsizing to a flat.
Why not look on websites such as ‘house exchange’ & ‘home Swapper’ People need to start looking in to all of these options instead of just complaining that the can find any suitable properties.
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This is just full of generalisations. The fact is, and the government’s DWP admits this, there are not enough one bed properties for all the people who ‘need’ them, according to the ‘bedroom standard’. In Swindon it would take more than 6 years to accommodate existing tenants who only ‘qualify’ for one bed, but only if those on the waiting list were not given any properties. They will have to wait longer as a result. Why should somebody who is 60 have to downaise when somebody who is retired does not have to?
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I do NOT live in social housing; this is just a new spin. I live in a council house, built post war as homes for all. Point your accusing finger at the people who caused the problem- succesive councils and governments that refused to build decent homes for rent and sold off the ones they already had.
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so how does this interest you then julie huh? i shared a room in social housing until i was an adult, it didn’t trouble me too much, if you don’t believe what people are saying why don’t you call your local council and ask them to downsize and see the reply you get! yes there are people out there living in homes that are too big for their needs, i think we can all agree on that issue, what is wrong with this situation is that the bedroom tax(poll tax) if forcing people out of their homes in a very bad way, it’s forcing people into debt, it’s not about lack of homes for the government, if it was they could use the empty homes policy and over night there would be enough homes for people, it’s about paying off the governments debts, if the government was so worried about lack of good sized homes then why have they just up the right to buy discount to £100k!?! the government has enough empty property sitting there doing nothing, enough to home one million families, just sitting there empty!
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also julie m, how is this going to help free up homes for people who need them? do you honestly think people will just give up their homes they cherish so much, a spare room means so much to me, it enables my friends and family to stay with me and give me some much needed help, i could of rented it out years ago if i wanted but i don’t want to cos i need it!
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JULIE im in oldham i think people are moaning coz they wud swap in heartbeat BUT that in my area isnt like it use to be IF people wana house exchange it cums at a cost witch most cant afford so its a no win situation ,i cudt afford any gas 2wks i went wiv out 5 days wiv out electic i didt eat for 3 days all i ad woz 2weekabix each day ! i wudt be garanteed a swap as im in arrears so i pay a tenency exchange fee then im told no till i pay arrears wud you in my situation still house exchange ?
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There’s an old saying “You can’t beat the system, but you can play it at it’s own game”
Bed Room Tax is not rent therefore you could withhold payment as a protest and not be evicted from your home as it’s not legally rent.
Look for the loopholes 🙂
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The bedroom tax has kicked in this week and I have not paid it and have no intention of paying it.
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Keep strong Sandra XXX
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Thank you Juliette, I am keeping strong and to my word and not paying this tax. I hope others who have made this decision remain strong too, good luck all!!
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Have people just given up and let this happen ? What happened to the fighting talk…..
Moaning won’t stop this, others won’t stop this.. Stand up be counted, organise, fight back…
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It’s a different fight this time, instead of just us against them, it’s us against those who live in over populated homes, those who think we are all benefit scroungers, it’s mainstream society not backing those on the fringes, those same people will more than likely need the very same support as we are having taken away one day, twenty years ago most people would have agreed that i am entitled to a spare room because of my health, visiting friends and family isn’t easy, so they come to me, i don’t sleep well because of my health and sharing a bed is a tried and tested failure, another reason why i need a spare room, there really shouldn’t be a problem in me being able to find an affordable two bedroom place, society’s thinking has changed now, what was once seen as fair is now betrayed as scrounging and bleeding the system dry, we live in an ever increasing, over populated system, people are desperate for a solution to their needs, so need over takes morals, it is morally wrong to disrupt peoples lives like this, it really is, yet again morals fly out the window when the press give us decent folk a battering for being scroungers and the scapegoat for all societies problems, i don’t have a string vest, i don’t own a pitbull type dog, i don’t spend all my benefits on booze, i don’t have sky tv. This is what is wrong with people and this is why there seems to be no fight, communities have broken down, people against people…
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This is how they manage to get support for these cuts in benefits. They pray on the prejudices of those who feel that anyone on benefits is taking money from their hard earned wages. The mainstream media, many of which are friends of the Tory government are happy to exploit this. I feel sorry for those who are stuck in inadequate accommodations but this tax will not give them the instant homes they are looking for. Only building new social housing will get to the root of overcrowding. Building new homes for people to buy will not as not everyone can afford to buy their own home even with the discount. The right to buy would’ve worked if those councils had been allowed to replace the stock with new homes. I have never agreed with selling off council stock unless they built new ones to replace them. The more social homes there are the more rent they can take in and the lower your council tax would be.
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There are people demonstrating look it up on YouTube. (mass demonstrations). The media has a blackout on it, so many don’t know what’s happening.
The government pulled this on Easter week for a reason. Trust me the sparks of the fire has only just begun.
Secure tenants re look at your tenancy you signed, it states as long as you pay your rent then you keep your home.. (your home). Nothing about tax and eviction…
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Who remembers the Margaret Thatcher quote;
“No one would remember the good Samaritan if he’d only had good intentions – he had money too.”
Thatcher sold of council housing thinking that she was helping the poor to get rich….. what does she think now?
Just look at what has become of the poor of today. Not enough social housing for the poor and food banks for mums and dads who hope they might get some food to feed their kids!
Thatchers old now , but I wonder if she would say sorry to the poor of today about what she has caused. I doubt it, as she has no comprehension of having no food, no electric, no gas and no idea if the rent can be paid on time, if it can be paid at all.
My own house was repossed in her Thatcher era. She had double standards. Many if not all tories tend to have double standards. Thousands and thousands of peoples homes were repossed.
It’s a very lonely life to be helpless, lonely and hungry all because the bedroom tax is now taking what little you had to live on. But for many moving would tip our emotions over the edge. It would mine.
The poor get poorer, the rich get richer and the country is no longer a home for the true british people.
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@Max Apr 03, 2013 @ 06:54:18 There is no such thing as bedroom tax. But there is such a thing as a reduction in benefits.
Your rent is your rent – you are just not receiving as much benefit to pay towards your rent.
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‘Just’? Just a little amount including the CT of over 30% for some people on JSA.
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Jean, while you are technically correct, for the vast majority, it is a HUGE reduction in their benefit. I recieve £71 a week JSA, the law states that is the MINIMUM I am expected to live on, with this under occupancy act, I am now expected to live on £55, .. and this is to pay my weekly food,electric, gas, water bill, and numerous other basic essentials.. i found it hard enough on £71, ..every penny was spent wisely, .. this has had a massive crippling effect on my already meagre finances.. to all intense and purposes, it IS a tax on the poor.. i can personally vouch for that.
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I totally disagree with this benefit cut,how can they call it bedroom tax?,This system is not even fair , why dont they just state its a cut in benefit and make everyone pay the same amount , of so much a week and a lesser payment , even though i am against this cut there has to be a compromise somewhere, as we are all at each others throat, and all suffering from this farce, and living on the breadline
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It wasn’t made across the board for several reasons; you can’t cut benefits from those that do not receive them, so a rent increase would have been the only option- but rents go to local authorities and HA’s, not government.
To have reduced benefits across the board, under-occupied or not would have united all social housing tenants in receipt of benefit; this way they divide and rule- those under-occupied v those overcrowded.
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“a thing as a reduction in benefits. Your rent is your rent – you are just not receiving as much benefit to pay towards your rent.” So, it’s not a reduction in benefits- you’re just not receiving as much? Let me think over that little pearl of wisdom…
According to Black’s Law Dictionary, a tax is a “pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property owners to support the government […]; BT seems to fit the bill admirably.
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At the end of the day Mr Cameron & Mr Osborne along with IDS,keep spouting the same party line, they are making it better to work than be on benefits! Well that’s great for those who can work but what about those of us who cannot work through disability or long term illness? I personally wish I could go out to work but me illness make this impossible. Anyway back to these changes, I do agree that some things needed to change but bringing in all these changes now whilst the country is in turmoil is madness beyond comprehension , it would’ve been better to focus on recovery first, create jobs that people can go to but no they have spent more money on these changes to the benefit system at a time when the country can least afford it. There is such a divide over this bedroom tax that it is taking the focus away the the real issues in this country and this is why they have brought in this tax/reduction whatever you wish to call it, and that is their policies have failed to get the country back on it’s feet. Instead they have blamed those on benefits and the last government and people have fallen for it. This crisis started in the USA with the collapse of the mortgage giants which inturn spread like wild fire to the banks. But back to my point, These changes to the benefit system were not thought out at all, everyone on benefits have individual needs which is why we have so many different benefits and to replace it with one is fraught with danger, you cannot just simply say we are changing the system to make it fairer and better for people to be in work in the space of a year and not expect difficulties. But as I said earlier this bedroom tax was not meant to ease overcrowding or help cut the deficit, it is simply a stunt on behalf of this government to keep your focus elsewhere. There are millions of homes across the country going empty that are boarded up, My local council have demolished loads of homes and the money that is set aside for discretionary payments is a drop in the ocean and the form you have to fill in to claim it makes the ATOS assessment look easy, this money would of been better spent on making these homes liveable again.
I can only hope that those who are for this tax wake up and realize that it will not do anything but create hunger and deaths. There will be those out there that say I do not know what I’m talking about and that I am simply just misinformed, well all I can say to that is history repeats itself. Do you remember when Mrs Thatcher was in power and was fast becoming the most hated woman in political history? Then we had the Falklands war and all of a sudden she won another term, Just look at what is happening with Iran and North Korea, does anyone else see the comparisons? Well here is another piece of history that repeats itself.
Remember this “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately… Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”? Speech dismissing the “Rump Parliament” (20 April 1653) and again with Neville Chamberlain. Now it’s 2013 and David Cameron presides and now this quote is ever more applicable.
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I’ve heard “some people” can have there bedroom as a prayer- room so meaning they don’t have 2 pay …. Has anyone else out there heard this ….. I don’t think anyone would be very happy if this is true ?
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This is complete and utter rubbish circulated by people who want to set tenanst at each other’s throats (I’m not suggesting you Cath). We need to direct our fire at the government and campaign for the repeal of the BT.
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This, as martinwicks said, is absolutely and catagorically untrue and is being propogated by right-wing, pseudo racist groups such as UKIP and BNP- while not official, it is their members that are involved in propogating this myth.
In fact, if it was true, you could turn your spare room into a chapel or synagogue etc.
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Maybe people should put furniture into their spare bedrooms and then it wouldn’t be a bedroom. Thinking of putting a dining table in mine right now:-)
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I am registered blind and my wife has emphysema and we have a 11yr old son. We sleep in separate rooms because she needs to use her nebuliser several times through the night and has numerous coughing fits which disturbs my sleep greatly. We now have to pay £10.85 a week bedroom tax because our council does not think our circumstances entitle us to a room each and in my case a good nights sleep. What do you think?
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Put in an appeal Alan. The whole things bloody outrageous. What is your Council?
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Thanks for your reply Martin, Swansea Council, I didn’t know you could appeal, I was told when they came around that because my wife will only use her nebuliser for 1 and a half to 2 hours a night I would not be entitled to a room of my own
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Alan it is shameful the way we are being treated.
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