The ‘bedroom tax’ applies only to people of working age. But it catches some people who would previously have received the state pension at 60. So for instance we have heard from a female tenant who is 59, turns 60 in November, but will not receive a state pension until 2015. We’ll call her Sheila. She was a single mum who has worked all her life but was made redundant early in 2011 and since then has had to claim benefits. Her financial plight is reflected in the fact that she had to get rid of her car because she could not afford to run it.
She is desperately keen to get a job but despite her best efforts she has been unable to get one. Like many people of her age she has suffered age discrimination in the job process.
“One in particular, a reception job, advised me that they very rarely employed people of my age to deal face to face with the general public. That was before we began the interview. Others have asked how I would cope working in ‘a young and dynamic environment’. I have also met other people who are in my age group and even slightly younger who are finding it impossible to get work because they also encounter age discrimination.”
Sheila says “I have lived in this house, which is my home, for 16 years. I have always paid my rent and had my house fully occupied until 2009 when my family left home.” Her son, his partner and her granddaughter lived with her but now have their own home.
So she is a single person in a 3 bedroom Council house. If she were a little older she would not face having her benefits cut – pensioners are excluded. She was born a little ‘too late’ being caught by the change in the state pension age for women. She considers herself “Too old to be employed but too young to be safeguarded from the bedroom tax and being classed as an OAP. Because this pension age has now changed I find myself in no mans land. ”
What does she have to live on? She is on income based job seekers allowance. With £71 a week she is supposed to pay household bills, eat and clothe herself. From next April she will have to pay the Council the 25% cut she will suffer in her Housing Benefit because she is “underoccupying” her home. “This has to be one of the most unjust laws ever created and I would like to think the court of human rights would agree,” she says.
Could she not ‘downsize’? Well, she has lived in her current house for 16 years. She has invested time and money in improving it and not surprisingly she considers it to be her home. She’s happy with the area she lives in. She feels it’s a decent place to live.
“Also now being on my own I feel safe as I know people, I can walk to the shops and my son’s home, if I needed to, is in walking distance. I walk my dog every night around 10-10.30pm and have no fear of being out at that time.”
She has been advised by the Council that she will have to put her name forward for an exchange or a transfer into a smaller property or she will have to pay the tax in April.
“I don’t want to be forced out of my home and it is feels awful to even attempt to begin looking. But I wonder what will happen to anyone who cannot find a smaller property and cannot find the extra money. Are we all to be evicted or prosecuted? The courts will be even busier and cost the council and council tax payer even more money.”
Even if Sheila asks for a move (she only ‘qualifies’ for a one bedroom property according to the ‘bedroom standard’) it might take years before she is offered one because she is one of 775 households which the Council estimates would have to move to a one bedroom property in order not to suffer a cut in their Housing Benefit. However, last year the Council only gave 104 one bedroom tenancies, so even if they did not give tenancies to people on the housing waiting list it could take the best part of eight years to move all the existing tenants who are deemed only to need one bedroom.
Given the shortage of accommodation of the ‘right size’ if Sheila was offered an alternative she might have to move away from the area that she is comfortable with, leaving her neighbours and friends, without knowing what life would be like in an area she didn’t know.
It might fundamentally alter (and potentially worsen) the quality of her life.
If she was offered a one bedroom flat, it would, of course, cost a lot of money to move since her furniture and other belongings would probably be too big for a one bedroom property.1 Of course, Sheila does not have the money to cover such expense.
Sheila will lose over £20 from her £71 because she has two “spare” bedrooms. She will also face losing more of this miserable sum that she is expected to live on. The government is scrapping Council Tax benefit in April 2013 replacing it with a grant to Councils which will cover only 90% of the bill. Councils will have to decide who qualifies for it. However, they will not be allowed to reduce support for “vulnerable” people and pensioners. The exclusion of pensioners will mean that claimants of working age will be hit especially hard, with 20-30% cuts expected. As Sheila and people like her are neither “vulnerable” nor pensioners, she will have to pay out more money from her already reduced job seekers allowance. So she and others will face a double blow.
“I find it sinister that the government is setting a law that reeks of age discrimination. Logically when you think about it they must be aware that the majority of people that will be affected will be in my age bracket. The older person whose family has grown up and moved on, the older person who is unemployed and experiences employment attitudes of being too old to be offered a job. We are a group of forgotten people in this country who seem to have no voice. Regarded as too old to work but too young to retire. How can any government expect the job market to adhere to age laws when it is introducing the bedroom tax law that targets the very people they say should not be discriminated against?”
“I feel so strongly about this not just for myself but for everyone else this is affecting and I am fearful of my future. People like myself are not scroungers and trying to survive on benefits is living hell.”
Sheila has considered taking in a lodger but currently she would lose money from her jobseekers allowance.
She represents one group of people who will be affected by the bedroom tax. We will look at examples of other groups in future articles. Suffice it to say that her example shows the callous and inhuman nature of the policy of the coalition government. When the Council tax cut kicks in she will face living on less than £50 a week. The rich, in contrast, will be facing tax cuts provided care of what Tory MP Nadine Dorries described as “arrogant rich boys who don’t know the price of milk”.
The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock. It cannot work because there are too few homes for people in need of housing, and there are not enough homes of the ‘right’ size. Instead of penalising the poor for a shortage which is not their fault the government should facilitate a new Council house building programme to address the shortage of ‘social housing’.
1 We recently received an email from another tenant who said she had moved from a 3 bedroom house to a two bedroom flat. “This has been quite a large expense as nothing fitted from the house – carpets, curtains, decorating, restoring garden etc.”
Martin Wicks

I agree with the bedroom tax I am working but pregnant and require more space. I lived in a 1 bedroom flat for 12 years because I didn’t require a bigger place but now I do so people with spare rooms should quite rightly downsize, its social housing for people who need it. There are hundreds of smaller places with people desperate to swap on home swapper or house exchange. there is not a shortage for smaller places but a shortage for the bigger housing because people stay in them despite having spare rooms.
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Don’t know where you livre Sarah but there is a massive shortage of smaller homes. In Swindon if nobody on the wiating list was given a home it would still take 8 years or more to transfer the numbers who qualify for one bedroom (couples included). Would you be happy when your child leaves home to be forced into smaller accommodation? You have to put yourself in other people’s shoes. The problem we have is a shortage of council housing owing to the right to buy and the end of Council house building. The bedroom tax won’t resolve the problem, only a new Council house building programmr will.
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I am in council accommodation. I am a foster carer, so in effect they are saying the foster child doesnt exist as her room is ‘spare’. We have been in the house for 19 years. During that time we have spent thousands on the garden, getting it how we want it and a full fence all around we paid for. Put our own kitchen in, floored it all etc. So I’m not prepared to move to a smaller property where I’ll be taking pot luck at the state of it, who the neighbours are and what ammenties are about. I’ll pay extra if i have to I’m not moving for someone to come and destroy 19 years of hard work getting it to my taste.
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Penalised for being a foster carer. This is the reality of the ‘bedroom tax’. It’s got nothing to do with using existing accommodation more rationally. It’s about creating scapegoats. They are trying to get people who need a bigger home to blame the tenants rather than the government which is (together with New Labour) responsible for the Council housing shortage.
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Exactly!!! How obvious is it and how thick are some people for realising this. A ten year old would Suss it……
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Well we turned down the one bedroom apartment we viewed , the young guy living above has 3 Asbo’s we took a trip over on the Saturday night the music coming from his place was deafening he had a group of mates in there , one neighbour told us they are always fighting in there and it ends up in the street no thank you .
Now to you people who are private yes i know people should give up there larger homes so you can bring your kids up as we have , and that’s what we intend to do, but remember who allowed social houses to be bought the Tories that’s who, followed by Labour who never stopped it , these houses were never meant to be sold neither were they built to be sold .
IDS was on question time last night and frankly the guy is an utter disgrace, he is asking the disabled to leave their homes , he is making kids share a bedroom till they are 16 even though there is a spare bedroom in the house, he is making people pay for that spare room even though it is being used .
This is no more than a Tory attack on the less well off and the sick and vulnerable people in our society today, while the filthy rich get away with tax evasion.
The answer is to build more social houses but the plan is to get more people into private accommodation where Landlords will charge sky high rents and evict them if they do not pay , do not believe the Tory lie that it is housing benefits that are crippling this country, if this Government stopped tax fraud they this country’s would not be in Debt , in fact they will not save no where near the amount of money from HB that they would in tax fraud, what’s stopping them making these people pay tax ? these people are their class that’s what .
We have now been told that because of our illness we qualify for a bungalow BUT they never really built that many so the hard truth of the matter is we have to wait for someone to die or at the very least be taken into a care home , so im sorry you younger people we are going to dig in here and wait , i know that makes you and your kids wait but that’s the way it is under a Tory led government.
The main thing is to stop blaming each other the Tory’s want that it’s called divide and rule and i notice some on here are falling for it , vent your anger at the Government and IDS in particular the guy is a snake in the grass , if we let them get away with this a lot worse will follow, prepare for a window tax i kid you not .
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Well said Mick.
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I’m not sure if I’m right about this, but people who reach state pension credit age between April and October, 2013 and who are under-occupying will be affected by the bedroom tax indefinitely, yet won’t be able to claim Universal Credit or get practical support with seeking work or more work, and won’t be entitled to the much higher disregard for rent from taking in a lodger. It would be almost impossible, at least in the south-east, to move to private accommodation without an income from work and any young people of the family would prevent a move to retirement housing. Discrimination against older people? Absolutely!
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I have spoken to AGE UK about this, they may look into it When BT comes in. I think that anyone over 50 are going to be hardest hit. More difficult to find work or extra work, not so easy to think about all the hassel of moving and have probably been in their homes a long time and spent fortunes on them. See our page if you are affected: https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/ We have petitions to sign and lots of support and advice.
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There are a lot of pensioners out there who live in three bedroom houses, I know I might sound callous but ,My daughter who is a single parent which isnt her fault, has to pay this bedrrom tax, Why should pensioners be any different as they dont have to pay this bedroom tax ,they could move to a smaller property as there is a shortage of family homes
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Val, even if they want to mover there is a big shortage of one bedroom properties. We should be arguing that nobody should have to pay the bedroom tax, not that everybody should be treated as badly. The only way to deal with the shortage is to start building homes again.
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totally agree Val! I have lived in a one bed property quite happy for 12 years now I am pregnant and need more space I can’t get rehoused! I work full time I dont claim benefits yet dont earn enough for child care plus private renting so am in need of social housing, people on here moaning theres a shortage of smaller homes and yet on house swap and house exchange there are hundreds of flats no houses because people refuse to downsize and refuse to pay a bedroom tax! I will happily pay this tax move out and I will move in!
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There is a shortage it’s a fact. The DWP has publicly admitted that there is a big shortage and recognised that even people who want to downsize may not be able to, though they are going to make them pay regardless. On top of that probably half of the so-called ‘under-occupied’ homes are pensioners who are not affected by the bedroom tax.
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well sarah, why don’t you put your child up for adoption if you can’t afford it or have an abortion! sounds a bit extreme doesn’t it! well you might love your child just like many council tenants have loved their children and loved the homes they grew up in! i love my home! it’s taken blood sweat and tears out of me for the last forty two years not to mention thousands of pounds! and you think it’s ok for me to give it up!…where do you want to go with this…is it ok to have a child when you know you can’t support it!?! is it ok to want to keep the home you put your whole life into and your sons/daughters lives and memories into!?! the answer is clear, the government should be able to give you a big enough place to live and leave me alone, the bedroom tax is wrong on every level! to think you would be happy for me to move out and have that depression over me is sad, we are all the victims here, victims of bad government decision making, yet you would be happy jump on my back given half a chance, was i in the wrong when the government gave me my tenancy to think it was for life? when i signed it, it was for life, i never in my wildest dreams thought this was going to happen, so i planned my life around it, was i wrong to do that? no, how could i be! was you wrong getting pregnant when you knew you couldn’t provide properly! makes people think doesn’t it! this is what the government wants, people at each others throats, lets all go back to the victorian times…
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val, would you really kick an old person out of their home, when that old person signed the tenancy it was for life, they have done nothing wrong…
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Well said Henry, I am in a very similar situation to you, I was offered my 2 bedroom flat in 1986, .(had they offered me a one bedroomed flat I would have taken it btw), over nearly a quarter of a century I have paid out well over £70,000 in rent .. i never envisaged at any time that I would be in danger of being asked to downsize or have to pay for the the extra bedroom ( i lost my job in 2009, and cannot find work at my age now, so i rely on housing benefit). I have spent thousands over the years on keeping my flat in good condition, I have excellent neighbours and there is no way I am giving up my home. We are being treated like sheep by the government who think we can just be moved around into appropriately sized pens. Well, we’re not sheep, we are human beings, and we deserve to be treated as such. This new welfare act is bordering on criminal, come next April, many low income families will find thier meagre rations cut even further, sinking them further into debt. I’ve never heard of any other country introducing such a barbaric law, to me, it’s morally wrong, I wouldn’t like this on my conscience if I were a Tory MP. People are already stressing out over this, and it hasn’t even started yet. I really do fear for the future.
Oh yes, come next April, The Tories have ensured every millionaire in the country gets a massive tax cut. You couldn’t make it up.
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That was a very nasty remark about Sarah,s Child I hope you are proud of yourself ,You state that you have done nothing wrong ,I doubt that with remarks like that , you sound a VERY NASTY PERSON
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I have deleted Sarh Smith’s comments which were very abusive. We can have sharp disagreements in discussion but I won’t accept abuse and bile.
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thank you , how about removing Henry,s posts as well i find telling someone to get an abortion or wear a condom offensive as well,If the remarks were not there then perhaps there wouldnt be an abusive reply
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Well Val, Henry was offended by the idea that he should be forced to move out of him home. At least he was arguing a case, and making the point that the government wanted tenants at each other’s throats instead of fighting against them. I have left contributions on here which I personally find offensive, but I dpon’t want to close down discussion. Abuse is another matter altogether. As I have said before on here, you have to put yourself in somebody else’s shows and consider the principles at issue, otherwise we would all argue from the point of view of naked self-interest.
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Thank you martin, i was not out to devalue anyone or offend anyone, i was simply stating the facts, i was giving an example of how this government could interpret sarahs situation, they don’t like single parents and could just as easy turn this on you like they have to us with this tax, i thought that was pretty obvious! i’m sorry you have been so shocked and disturbed by my comments that you have had to resort to calling me a peadophile, you obviously didn’t get it sarah, i don’t find your comments offensive though, i don’t have have a criminal record, i have a good education, i don’t drink and i don’t eat meat often, i have worked very hard all my life until recently because my spine is rotten, mostly due to the amount of hard work i have done and as of last week a i have a very beautiful new partner, who will be moving in soon and my worries about the bedroom tax over, i also do not wear a string vest, i am actually very conscious and stylish about how i look and smell, i look and smell lush, i also have some design work that i can do from home, life is good and your not getting my home, ever! sorry you got stressed, i was just trying to be honest and open, maybe i was too blunt for you…but then it’s you who wants me out of my home so you can move in…and be happy about it…
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totally agree with you Val!
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It struck me last year that we don’t see many high rise blocks being built these days, they are ideal for one bedroom flats, and you get a superb view, i know they aren’t everyones cup of tea, but in this current climate of lack of social housing , i have no doubt they would be much in need.
ps, Martin, I wrote a letter to the Evening Advertiser in Swindon yesterday giving my view on this dastardly Bedroom tax, I’m hoping it will get published in tomorrows paper. Couldn’t resist taking a swipe at this government 🙂
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The HA are pulling High rises down here Tommy. Not that I would fancy moving into one at my age….can hardly get up one flight of stairs, but our HA have said they do not have anything smalle for us to move to,not that we want to after being settled in our house for almost 20 years, We spent 7 years of hell in the previous one we had, drug dealers and nasty neighbours. Petrified we could end up in a similar circumstance if we are forced to move! That would kill us. If you are on Facebook you may be interested in our page :https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
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Hiya Pat, thanks for your comment, I’ve lived in a high rise for well over 20 years, i love it up here, i know a lot of people would’nt like it, .. horses for courses i guess. Thanks for the Facebook link, I think I’m already signed up to that one, .. it’s got well over 4000 members last time i looked, it’s shocking to hear people’s individual cases, ..it’s going to hit so many different types of people, young families and older people who, like me, have lived (and paid full rent) for many years. How can the government get away with this???
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I have lived in my flat for 19 years the last 7 of those i have had to put up with anti social neighbours,drinking till all hours of the morning, abuse at myself and my family , the council have done nothing to help me ,my mental and phyiscal health has suffered badly now in April I have to pay bedroom tax,Are they taking the mick or what?
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I think what we should all be asking is where the hell is Liam Byrne the Shadow
Work & Pensions Secretary in all this , we have not heard a tweet from either him or Labour’s front benches on this issue , it seems to me that Labour have ditched a section of our society in favor of the middle class vote , i urge you all to e mail or write to Byrne and urge him to speak out on this , last week on Question Time socialist Journalist Owen Jones went to town on Ian Duncan Smith in fact he showed him up for what he is a Liar , we need more people like Owen Jones on the Labour front benches , Labour are letting us down .
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Here is my letter to liam Byrne
Liam when are you going to address the bed room tax from the front benches ? people face losing their homes or a large chunk of their income , the Disabled are being forced to pay or get out of their homes and move to where ? there is a dire shortage of one bedroomed homes in the social housing sector .
This is the cruelest tax since the poll tax and it should not be ignored , this is Labour’s chance to prove that it does represent the disabled and the least well off in our society , i urge you and the labour front bench to fight this loudly and in the public eye , as yet Liam you are looking very weak on this im sorry to say .
You can contact him here.
http://liambyrne.co.uk/
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i have been in my HOME for 38 years and council want to kick me out. (Under Occupancy) They took last house which we owned and paid us a pittance (Compulsory Purchase) I looked after my disabled mother for years whilst still working. It was council who stopped me working to become a carer cheaper to have a low paid carer than put her in a home. We were thinking about buying this house like our neighbours. Now i am disabled and all they have in their minds is to make money out of the most vulnerable in society
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just been looking through the rules on this and am sure that in some cases this breaks the law as it states that children of mixed sex up to the age of fifteen should share a bedroom also do feel sorry for the lady trapped in this altering of pension age, as i am also 59 but as my birthday falls late in the year my pension age will now be one month off 65 and employers do not want to know you over the age of 45.
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john maguire it isn ‘t your council who want to kick you out . it is the Tory led Government back up by a few power hunger Lib Dems , it’s your council who have to deal with this cruel tax .
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Before removing anyones benifits it seems only just that councils can offer altenative accomodation of the correct size. If this is not to be the case then this is just another cost cutting mony making exercise.
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The councils have no where near enough homes to re house everybody , it is a way of milking money out of the least well off, it is also a way to making people go private and end up in the hands of greedy landlords .
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this is so wrong i myself have not got this problem due to i own my home, But you work all your life maybe to build a littie nest egg for your retirement to be forced to pay more and more every year let alone the uk sends £400,000 to other countrys even more in some places and forget the people that are on the poverty line in the uk how much more blood do we have to give how much more money do we have to loose let the people in power live on what some people live on in this country
Tom retired
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As I understand it, people are not simply being kicked out their homes. The majority of council tenants who work and pay their own rent will not be affected. It is only those who are in receipt of housing benefit who will see a reduction of that benefit – but again, if they make up the shortfall, they will be able to stay where they are. Nothing to do with nest eggs for retirement.
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Well i have just had my letter from the council about the bedroom tax, I have a two bedroomed flat, so i have to pay it, the letter states that you may be able to pay the shortfall yourself by cutting down elsewhere, use your savings or get help from a family member, it also says don,t ignore the problem go to the money advice centre so they can help you plan your spending or move to a smaller property ,and the quickest way to do that is look on the home swapper service, so it looks like you have to pay to move and start over again , how many of us can or want to do that? I cant believe what i am reading I am 58yrs of age Ive just had my sickness benefit stopped even though ive had very bad asthma since i was a child, so how do you cut down elsewhere? so in the matter of a few weeks ive been cured of my condition and had my benefit stopped and been told how to manage my money which i havent got this truly is GREAT BRITAIN
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And to cap it all Val, Osborne is uprating HB by just 1%, eroding its value.
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One of the more disagreeable aspect of this is, of course that most people on HB are working low paid jobs while the government rhetoric still claims it is dole scroungers they are after.
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I’ve been placed on a work programme after being found “fit for work” by ATOS. ( I wont go into detail), but what has shocked me is the number of people who are visibly in a bad state of health, clearly not fit for work, who are being made to attend the work programme, they are patently unfit for work, some can barely walk, yet the government thinks some company can employ them. It’s a national scandal which doesn’t seem to be reported by the media.
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In real life the main problem is that companies don’t want to employ disabled people, not that disabled people don’t want to work.
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yer i understand what your saying my sister inlaw had cancer all over her body and they said she was fit to work of she would loose her money from the state she died 5 weeks after
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Ive had this problem all my life, sorry we cant employ you as your unreliable, you have to leave as the dust is making you ill, Val this isnt working you will have to leave , the doctor told me I cant work, so they can train me up to be a rocket scientist if they want but they cant make me better so it becomes a choice money or your health and you need both,and i believe that atos get a bonus for every person they claim are fit for work
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Quite right, Val; if you cannot afford to pay the BT, how do they expect you to be able to afford to move?
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no probs s c i appreciate your comment, and surfice to say, you have made a lot of valid remarks and comments yourself. As we truthseekers know, the problems of the system is controlled by government (divide and rule) i call it silent mass genocide the more sheeple that wake up to it the less control they have, David icke predicted hurricanes, social decline and unrest in the late 1990,s but they called him CRAZY funny how everything he said has become reality, As ive stated before you cant get much sense out of a block of wood/ice
Now i understand what was meant when it was suggested we are being controlled by lizards hmm ICE COLD BLOCKS OF WOOD = NO EMPATHY
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I hear on the grapevine that some councils are ready to make 3 bed roomed homes into 2 bed roomed homes , this is because of the disgusting rule that same sex kids can share a room till they are 16 so they might as well share one big bedroom , if this is true then good on those councils it will be one in the eye for the smug IDS, the sooner this crazy plan is shown up for what it is ie unworkable the better , it is no secret that call me Dave wanted him moved from his job at the last cabinet reshuffle, maybe call me Dave knows full well that IDS is batting well above his station ? .
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Im at my witts end, I lost my husband last year and right on top of his first anniversary the bereivament allowance stops and Im transfered to ESA and my rent gets reduded by £48 a week, I have to pay council tax, plus arrears and pay back an over payment from £99 ESA. I feel Im being penalised for my husbands death! On top of that I have utility bills, weekly gas & electric which leaves me with about £10 a week to survive on! I dont want to move out of my home they are taking everything away from me, I cant work due to poor health which has been worstened due to the death of my husband and now this worry of me losing my home, Im a month in arrears and dont have a very understanding landlord now he worries I cant meet my rent, the smaller properties are hard to come by as so many other people have been put in the same situation, and cost wise there is very litte difference in amounts from a 1 2 or 3 bedroom in my area so even if I did move out in to smaller I stull wouldnt me any better off.
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Speak to your Council about Discretionary Housing Payment Kate. They are available for helping people out who are in difficulties.
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Kate i am so sorry to hear of your plight, find out if your local council has a finance officer who can help you we have one here in Wigan , also you must go and see CAB and get some of your payments reduced, no one can live in ten pounds a week nor should they be expected to .
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thanks Mick. I am a volunteer with CAB and usually we see these case studies as a last resort. I believe the main problem with people is apathy unless it directly affects themselves.
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These changes to housing benefit in just another way to take the spotligh off the real issues such as government corruption, blame those on benefits. I have always worked and have now been unemployed for almost 6 months despite many efforts to get work. I will face the bedroom tax as I live in a 2 bedroom house alone since my grown up son left home 4 years ago. My benefit of £71 a week is not enough to live on let alone pay £12 for my spare room. It is a dismal existence. I feel for everyone who is facing this issue and also feel that everyone should stand their ground and not pay the tax. I will not be moving as I have spent money on my home and making it liveable which it certainly wasn’t when I took it 16 years ago. It is unjust in every sense and just another form of control from the Bully Eaton Boys. Nice try!!
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I’m in exactly the same situation as you Janine, .. paid rent for over a quarter of a century whilst working work to pay the bills, never in debt, very careful with my finances, … then in 2009 my firm went into liquidation, and i had to rely on housing benefit. Like you, i recieve just £71 a week JSA now, … I can just about get by, … but come next April I dont know what i will do, it’s not only the bedroom tax, but also here in Swindon we will now have to pay 20% of our council tax. ( i think it’ll work out about £5 or 6 a week), … so i will effectively be living on £54 a week, to pay electric, gas, water, food, clothing, etc.. I can see myself having to rely on Foodbank donations come next April. How can the Tories do this is beyond me!!, .. I have written to my local tory MP, and he more or less just fobbed me off. It’s a national disgrace.
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Tommy, thanks for your reply and I’m so sorry to hear about your situation too. I am similar to you in that I worked and paid everything myself whilst raising my son as a single parent following my divorce. I have decided though to stand my ground and not move from my home. Are you considering moving or are you going to remain in your home? I really hope to secure work ASAP and before this tax comes into effect. I am even prepared to go on a march and represent myself and support others in this situation. It is very difficult as you say to live on benefits and my monthly income is now less than I was getting for 1 week when working. The council tax changes you mention will effect everyone, again everyone on benefits. Its good that you wrote to your local MP and even though you got fobbed off, you are still standing up for what you see right. One of the biggest downfalls in this country is people not standing up for themselves and others, collectively in groups. Thatcher created the ‘singled minded’ breed of people that we see all the time in the UK, its a great manipulative way to segregate people. She was also a huge instigator of the current debt crisis that we have here in the Uk and of course the selling of council homes. Tommy, I hope you stand your ground, maybe I’ll see you in Swindon on the march!! I hope things work out for you too
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Please be aware that refusal to pay is quite different from inability to pay- I know from your comment you will be unable to pay, but don’t refuse; tell them you cannot pay, and produce a statement of means to show as much; the consequences are quite different.
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Thanks for your info Smiling Carcass, just a query here regarding the payment issue, wouldnt people still be taken to court for arrears regardless of the reasons for non payment of BT? Would it make any difference regarding court proceedings and possible eviction? I mean if people were to provide evidence of income/outgoings and being unable to afford the BT payment, I don’t think it would make any difference in outcome. The LHA and government know that people cant afford to make this payment but I would think that they would still abide by the housing law regarding arrears?
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There is a difference; I don’t want to mislead, but I believe the diffence is that refusal to pay means the authority will not take a lenient view, may not offer help and will seek eviction and the courts will not take a lenient view, will side with the authority or HA and will evict; in the case of inability to pay, they will consider circumstances, will try to offer solutions, local authorities may not seek eviction, but a suspended possession order and the couirts will take a lenient view.
That’s how I see it, that’s how I believe it will work- there are some people over here-
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
who are very good, and will be able to give you more accurate information. Take a look, ask your question there.
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The bedroom tax doesn t affect me, but it will affect my daughter as my eldest grandson has just left home. Like many of the people posting on this site I think it is one of the most cruel things this or any government has ever done. I just hope every tenant will send letters to their MP stating exactly how it will affect them as I am sure a lot of MPs live in “cuckoo land”, havin no idea how tenants will be affected next April. They are already backin g down over the changes to DLA . The majority of claimants for that benefit will not now be reassessed until October 2015. I suspect the reason for this is because they won t want stories of disabled people losing their benefits just before the General Election . The same thing might apply to the bedroom tax BUT only if we all kick up as much fuss and publicity as possible. I am going to write to my MP and I hope everyone reading this post will do the same. Some of the stories on this web site are heartbreaking
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I too am going to lose my home of 38 years!! I love this little house and its heartbreaking to lose it,i have just one spare room which is constantly used for family and friends who stay to help me,,sister lives in america,when she comes over she stays,grandkids stay,son lives away and they come to stay it is constantly used!! its a family home,,i feel safe here and know ALL of my neighbours,everyday someone knocks on the door to say hi or drop off little pressys,,apples,compost,sweets,its like a little village i have built around me,my garden has been a labour of love too which i have packed with wildlife that rely on me,words cannot describe the sick feeling i get when i think of having to leave which is through no fault of mine,its so very unfair.
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Why do you have to leave Patricia?
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Because i am on long term incapacity benefit as i have ongoing health problems,,and i wont have enough money to pay the bedroom tax and council tax and all other utilities,its just impossible and im soo sad,i am 60 in may and i cant bear to leave everyone i have known all these years plus im on my own so no extra income,i am actually scared of the future now.i managed to scrape along before but now it is impossible,am due to go into hosp for yet another op in march so i still cant even try for a job,, catch 22
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Why not try for the Discretionary Housing Payment Patricia? I take it you’ll get your state pension at 61 or so?
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What is this discretionary housing please ?
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If you click on the tab at the top of the website you will see an explanation there Kevin.
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Hi martinwicks i did ask about DHP and the council were supposed to send me a form but i never received one maybe i will try again and i dont reach state pension age now until 63 and 5 months because of the changes,and i would like to thank you for trying to help me.
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Definitely worth a go Patricia. I don’t know where you live but in the case of Swindon they have the DHP online. Perhaps your local authority will likewise.
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You don’t have to leave your home; you can pay the extra, don’t ya know? Does it matter that you cannot afford it; to this unelected administration; do they care, with their tax-payer funded second homes, expense accounts we could only dream of plus £64,000 a year minimum wage?
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After reading this Sheila seems to be in the same position as my mother . My mother has been in her house 32 yrs whilst my my bsiblins and I have all fled the nest ,, my mother trying to survive on her very poor benefits is already struggling and now she’s worried to death by this bedroom tax it’s disgusting !!!!
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I have also been told to pay the extra money or take a lodger in,yet i have health issues and am on benefits. I have been under an immense amount of stress due to this and i have been really unwell which has caused my illness to deteriorate. I have lived in my flat for 13yrs and put every thing i have into it,it is my security and i feel safe and happy here and now feel i am being forced out. It is all i keep thinking about night and day and can see no way out. I seeked out this sight and glad i can share it with others going through the same ordeal.
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Hello there Sheila. Have you had a look at Discretionary Housing Payment yet?
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Hi martin-wicks, i had a council man come to my home before christmas to give me this bad news and i mentioned about Discretionary Housing benefit and he said he would get back to me. But i cannot see away out of this unless i pay the bedroom tax and i have 2 extra small bedroom which means 25 pound a week and thats before having this dreaded medical to cut my benefits more. They gave me this home to live in and when my daughter left it has left me with extra room,but i suffer with under lying border line bi polar and other symptoms and am really finding all of this to much to deal with. Im hoping my replies will not come up on my face book as i would just like to see this on this page please thank you.
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What’s your local Council Sheila?
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/ Take a look at this link. People are waking up to the challenge they are facing. You are not alone!!
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Yes thank you Marian54 i have.
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NOrth Devon Council and i live in Barnstaple and my housing is north devon homes.
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It’s disgusting the way the less well off are being marginalised, come April the gulf between the rich and the poor will be as wide as the Grand Canyon. I saw a Facebook post only this morning that gave a list of people who have taken their lives over recent benefit cuts. Reading some of these posts is really heartbreaking to read, you can tell that these people are not scroungers, they are honest decent people who just want to live out there lives in relative peace and quiet. It’s shameful the way the government are treating us.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Keep our Council Homes wrote:
> ** > Sheila Passmore Was Gayton commented: “NOrth Devon Council and i live > in Barnstaple and my housing is north devon homes.” >
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There have been a lot of comments on here that there will be riots and demos as big or bigger than the Poll Tax……..no there won’t……..the people directly affected by this are in their thousands and are renters who are on benefits and the majority are to old or ill to get a job, the Poll Tax affected millions that included every one. By the way I am one of those who rent, are on benefit are to old and to ill to get a job after having worked all my life until 58 so I will be affected also
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this is going to affect 3/4 of a million renters alone, that’s with out friends and family members, i’m only 42, plus there will be other austerity measures being brought in that will affect the middle classes soon, also squatters have been affected too, combined efforts could easily see a big turn out, if we do not see any riots this or next year then i will be very surprised, most other countries have seen it so far, we just don’t see it on the news, i think once it is put in place and reality kicks in we will see a huge rise in public discomfort…i will try to attend any public demos and i will try to bring as many friends as i can, i can’t do it on my own but with help i can 🙂
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Henry I hope you are right and I will be along on any demo’s if my health allows it. Strong high numbered regular demos will do more than “doing a Tottenham” which will lose a lot of respect from people you will need in the future
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The leaders of Liverpool and Sheffield councils have written to the so called PM and informed him they will be civil unrest over these cuts, lets not forget that the working poor are also being hit as they to can not afford this BT .
In the meantime i urge you all to to lobby your council over the BT if you are in a 3 bedroom house with two kids under ten same sex then demand that your council knock one of the bedrooms through to create a larger one thus killing the tax , there are ways round this tax, Demand that your if your council apply for a re possession for arrears then that the person/people are evicted then re homed back into the home they were evicted from, it is law for councils to re home someone evicted on benefits ,
It is time for the people to stand up and fight this cruel tax .
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i’m worried they will axe the tax and make it law that you have to down size…
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hi , i live in a 2 bedroom house and I am single but at 27 I am planning on starting a family in the near future so I will need the extra room in the next 2 3 years , also just wanted to point out that a lot of people out there have pets , I consider my dog part of the family and my best friend , now there are smaller 1 bedroom properties that I could try to move to but about 90% in london have a no pets rule so I am not moving out and giving my dog that I had for the last 7 years , people need to consider that there might be other reason to why folks with bigger homes don’t want to move ,
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i am a 47 year old housebound lady in a wheelchair i live in a 3 bedroom council house alone with no assistance since my daughters left home ,i was forcibly moved to this house 10 years ago when the 2 bedroom council flat i lived in was sold to a developer and subsequently demolished , im unable to cook for myself or bathe ect . my rent has already jumped from 62 per month in december to 94 this january ,after benefit deductions , add to that gas and electric has jumped up £24 in the same time frame , despite only heating 1 room , ive already cut back on just about everything ,eating 1 meal a day no snacks cancelling my mobile phone and having home phone outgoing calls barred ,our local council stopped help with gardening for the disabled , a service id paid for ., then sent me a nasty letter demanding i tidied my overgrown garden ,so having no help to tidy the garden it cost me £400 i didnt have to call in a gardening service , or be in breach of tenancy for my untidy garden .. the council then cost me £160 for a new tv areal after one of their subcontractors moved my old one and snapped it ,
now im being told that i have 2 spare bedrooms and must pay or take in a lodger , a) where do they expect me to get the 25% extra bedroom tax from ( im terminally ill) b) move , again where does the money come from and help to pack and unpack a 3 bedroom home and move it , i cant afford it , my treasured possesions ect wont fit , whos going to pay for carpets and cutrains ect , the power shower i had fitted , the special taps and and handles i had installed , the non slip flooring all of which i saved hard and paid for with my dla
c) take in lodgers , i.m vulnerable enough without inviting strangers to live in my home id be terriified and i couldnt clean after them ect
as far as i can see the goverments caused this houseing shortfall by letting in to many immigrants who need housed who also take jobs from british people and claim benefits .
i didnt ask to become ill . i didnt ask for a 3 bedroom home ,i didnt want to be jobless and homeless when my exhusband dumped me for a healthy chavette half my age and he got the family home ,id worked paid my taxes put my daughter through uni but am simply far to ill now , this whole worry is putting a further strain on my health , i fear im either going to be homeless , starve or freeze to death befor 2013 is over ,,,,,, sorry for the rambling but i do suffer from confusion ect due to the severe anemia i have developed as a sympton of my illness ,
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im just wondering , with these forced lodgers ,, im assuming its my beds , bedding , towels . appliances , ect they would be using ,id have no control over my own possesions is that fair . , i also assume they would would watch my tv with my tv licence use my power shower bth ect ,,,,,,,,,, which arnt even in a spare bedroom , what if they destroy , damage steal , abuse my possesions , would it be feasble to supply a empty room and put locks on every other door in the house ,to stop people using MY things ,
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Diane, please, please please contact your local citizens advice and also your local social services, in Scotland we have Adult Support and Protection social work, you ave the same in England although I forget exactly what it is called. Phone social services and ask for the duty social worker and tell them your circumstances. You will be entitled to discretionary payments in the short term, longer term they can, should and will if forced, help you out. Please do this Diane, every single person and every single life is important, that includes you. I wish you all the luck in the world with this
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diane, you should get in touch with your local cab office, or you can contact powher, they are a group who speak on peoples behalf if they have difficulty
http://www.pohwer.net/
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Here in Swindon, the council have sent out letters regarding the Bedroom tax, and 20% payment of housing benefit which comes into effect in a few months ( everyday it’s getting closer!!!). One of the things they said in the letter if we are going to struggle to pay was : “Ask friends or family if they can help out”! How have things come to this where the council are asking us to rely on family and friends to help paying our bills???? It almost beggars belief.
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I’ know how ” Sheila ” feels we won’t be able 2 live use our heatin, eat , buy clothes … God help us … I have lived in my 3bedroom house 34yrs I keep it clean never had at complaints from the council … The gov is making us suffer well & truly no point in livin nothing left 4 us … I do work but my hrs go up & down + no one wants 2 give us a job at our age … I don’t want 2 move away from my family ” Why should we ” I feel sick
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Have you seen our facebook page? https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
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My situation is similar to yours Cath, .. it’s totally wrong. I’ve paid over well over 20 years of full rent and council tax on my 2 bedroom flat, lost my job, now i rely on housing benefit, I feel guilty having to depend on it, but i have no choice, I now live on £71 a week, and I cannot afford to heat my flat, and come April i will be forced to pay £12 a week out of that, plus 20% of my council tax. And the MP’s this week want an extra 32% pay rise on top of their £65k a year, it makes me mad.
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Mass meeting in The Black-E in Liverpool today at 3pm to organise an opposition to the bedroom tax.
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Let us know how it goes Jill
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good luck 🙂
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Hope it goes well, good luck too!
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I am going to face having to pay, spare room tax as, both my girls have left home now. Its rediculous to make people face a choice, of pay rent or heat ur home. This is what it will come down to. If the government want people to downsize, then build purpose built one bedroom houses of a decent size, with small garden. That tenants would gladly move into. Im in receipt of incapacity benefit at the moment. But, have received a medical questionaire and do not know the result of that yet. But, im worried as, although i have passed medicals in the past, i know that people are being deemed fit for work, although they are far from fit, for work. Im better off than sheila but, still i would face a choice of pay rent, or heat my home! What will the government do next? Bring back victorian work houses? to put the sick and the unemployed!
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Its poss David cameron is thinking of just that as we apeak
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Went to the meeting today in Liverpool to form an organised response to the war on ordinary people being waged by this government. We are going to put together anti bedroom tax community groups in our local areas to support each other. We are going to identify if this tax is legitimate, for example parents who are separated but have access to children over weekends and need the bedrooms are being discriminated against.
If it comes to it and civil disobedience is the only way then so be it some laws are so oppressive they need to be broken.
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no one will be happy with my comments but i dont care, councils have exempt thousands of tenants from paying C/Tax and even water rates under Mentally Impaired for years WHY? working in social care ive seen it all, why should anyone be exempt from paying water rates. thousand of people get so muchmoney they cant spend it and some of those people live alone in houses too big for them. yes i know what youre thinking im attacking the vulnerable, NO i am not, infact the vulnerable are the people who work hard not those who do not work, why should people who have worked their life lose their home, only people who dont get off their arse who who have never worked should b told to move and those who never will work. im fed up working to help so called vulnerable people who are so much better off than me. not everybody classed as vulnerable is.
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why don’t you care frenchy…you obviously do care because you have voiced your opinion here, it’s a contradiction in terms is it not…the reason why people are exempt from these taxes is because they are under treatment for mental health issues, surely someone who has never worked and contributed to the system all their lives and believes this to be right surely has mental health issue, you can’t just label people scroungers even if they obviously are, it’s societies problem, there isn’t a huge difference from somebody scamming the system than from a company executive cleverly avoided a huge tax bill, i’m afraid there are people like this in all walks of life yet we perceive it as ok for the wealthy to do it, also, we are not talking about people who work losing their homes, the bedroom tax is an austerity measure brought in to reduce the housing benefit bill, it does not affect the average hard working person, this will have a serious damaging effect on those who”as you say” have worked hard all their lives, maybe if all the tax dodgers paid up we wouldn’t have to attack the “so called” vulnerable, it was the hard working men in power that sold our housing stock, it those same men who have not built new houses to meet demand, who allow the system to be abused, who allow migration, who create the lack of jobs and the education to provide for ourselves, your comments are understandable and don’t upset me at all, people should say how they feel so we can put them straight 🙂
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i agree with you frenchy, i’m fed up with people moaning that they have to pay, well we have to pay. if you add up all that benefits people get over the whole year it would probably be more than i earn at work. housing benefit, council tax benefit, JSA/INCAPACITY, free prescriptions, free dental, free glasses if needed etc.
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veazer, i’m glad you have found a place to vent your frustration, trouble is that’s all it seems to be, it would be nice if you actually had something constructive to say, all you have to say for yourself is how jealous you are that other people vulnerable people are getting some help and how everyone with a spare room who isn’t working does not deserve it and those on the breadline are all scroungers…say something useful and meaningful please…
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And you work in Social Care Frenchy..Well God help them!
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This tax doesn’t affect me but it doesn’t stop me being appalled!! This government won’ t be happy until it’s got its “plebs” living as they did in the city slums of the 1800′ s. 5 families to one house – a large family living in one room!! What’s the next step? 10 families sharing one toilet out in the back yard!!
Why are all benefit claimants being perceived as scroungers by this government? There’ s always been a small minority of scroungers, always will be, but the majority of claimants are genuine people who would much rather not be claiming.
This has nothing to do with “freeing up housing stock” otherwise why are pensioners on benefits exempt. Why not double the rent for a single person or couple paying full rent for a three bedroom council house. They only need one bedroom and double rent might encourage them to downsize. Obviously, I say this tongue in cheek. It is all to do with reducing HB costs.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum AKA Dave and Nick and all those who follow them, should be ashamed of themselves.
People need help! There are few jobs available that pay a living wage.
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My concern is Lord Freud’s reply to a caller on a radio phone in was to take in a lodger…the caller protested that it wasn’t allowed as per their tenancy agreement. My concern is that who would be that lodger given the scenario…. And possibly not vetted and near children. It wasn’t so long ago that CRB’s were mandatory if you were even an arms length to a child…now you might need to hire a spare room out to anyone who can keep you from penury!!!
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I am 59 years old and have lived in my house for 18 years. My matrimonial home was repossed in the era of Margaret Thatcher, as indeed were millions of others repossed. It is laughable now but our mortage was only £19000. But none the less times were hard.
It was also the time when council tennants were allolwef to buy their homes. I do not blame them for buying their council house, but they should never have been put into a position where they could buy them.
I was truly greateful when i got this house.But of course I do feel guilty living in a 3 bed house, and have wanted to down size for some years. However I only get offered old peoples dwelling with no garden or flats on estates where drugs and bad behaviour are rife. My house in somewhat small and for a growing family it is not viable as the 2 small bedrooms are not big enough for a normal single size bed. 10 years ago I was allowed to knock down the joining wall to them and so now have a 2 bedroomed house . None the less it is classed as a 3 bed.
The one joy I have left in my life is be able to have my grandchildren with me and to stay at home and see them play in my garden. They have no garden as they live in a flat. I do all I can to help them , but in truth it would be madness to give up my house for them as I simply could not cope with the noises and the hell of an estate. I do all I can for them even to the point of helping my daughter to drive and got finance in my name for a nice car for her( for which she pays for). But at least they can get out of the flat now. I have never had a loan in my lifetime and I will always do what I can to help my children and grandchildren
I suffered an accute nervous breakdown in 2002 and over the years have been sectioned 4 times. I live a very private quiet life that I can cope with and feel secure and not afraid. My neighbours know me and I feel safe. To move into a dwelling that would change the emotional status of my life would be detrimental to me and intern on my family. Although it will be hard on me I will be one of those who WILL be paying the 25% increase.
It is easier to live on a pittance that it is to live in fear and emotional stress.
I would give up my house tomorrow if the council / housing association could move me into a one bed place with a garden and privacy. But in 7 years they have offered me nothing but old peoples dwellings without a garden.
Kids need a garden , but so do those of us who still want a quality of life. Just because we are over 50 does not mean that we do not deserve a garden or joy to be in a home of happinness and safety.
Yes I will pay the 25% and will not moan as I shall still have my home. I would rather live in peace than live in an emotional hell.
I would be happy for a family to live here if tomorrow I got offered a place where I could feel happy and at peace to live in.
I agree that social housing should be freed up for families, but older people like myself also deserve a quality of life.
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Rita, this is exactly the desired response you are providing…and it is not your fault. There are terrible politics at work and they work through fear! They set one citizen against the other and while you are doing that you forget who is really the devil in this decimation of a society carefully built in the aftermath of two world wars.. Do not envy your fellow citizen…and be ready to help.
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the council are trying to do that to me i want a garden as i allready have one as i have dogs and get cronic migrains so i need a garden
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i am on the downsize list with the council i rang them today t see if they had anythink they said they dont i have tryed to do an exchange but with no luck found one place but my soafs wont even get in the frount door or the window why carnt the goverment postpone the bedroom tax till the councils have got some they havent given people much time to do anythink i have 2 dogs and am not geting rid of them i will just have to pay it but dont see why we have to when there are no places to give us
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The truth is getting out there, those of us against this unfiar “tax” are starting to be heard. We have been on radio shows,in the newspapers and there are plans for TV stuff in the offing. Defend council housing DPAC and the unions are now starting to support our fight against the cuts! Our Facebook page now has nearly 6000 people nationwide :https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ tell your freinds and come and join us!
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this country is a joke.they are quick enough to help other countries,but when it comes to people like my self who has lived in Britain,and worked in Britain all my life they think it is ok to screw us for every penny we have.not acceptable.
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I totally agree with you ,what a pile of pants , We will soon be Asking Bob Geldolf, to help this country, and write a song for us
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Other posters may have already mentioned this and I apologise if I’m going “over old ground”. For most of us, taking a lodger, goes against our tenancy agreements. Then there is the danger to think about. It was not so long ago that CRB’s were required if you wanted to volunteer to help out on a school outing. Now we have a situation where you may have to let out the extra room in your home to a stranger! Who will pay to check this person and ensure your family’s safety?
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I have just written a letter for a 56 year old man who is on high rate disability allowance.
The council want to charge him for two extra bedrooms.
He has lived in the house for 25years,he is extremely ill and may not have much longer to live.
We may be able to hold on to one of the bedrooms as he has a carer stay over in the week but he may still have to pay for the other bedroom
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The other problem with the BT is, if families end up taking in lodgers, who’s going to pay for the CRB checks on them, if you cant afford the 15% cut then there is no way people are going to be able to afford to pay for the safety checks on these people, you could end up with any one living under your roof, and without a doubt the dangerous ones know this and could easily take advantage of the system worming their way into anybodies house, this is the thing i fear the most, families with children living under the same roof as a paedophile, or a lunatic, not because they choose to, but because the government has forced their hand.It seems to me they haven’t really thought about the dangers and problems that could come to the surface with this, and i certainly do not envy them when the backlash from this abysmal charge comes back to them with a vengeance , i think crime is going to go through the roof, and i have a horrible feeling the next generation will be a whole new level of messed up.
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I have grandchildren that stay now & then with me … No way I would take a lodger “STRANGER” yes y right these paedophiles must be clapping there hands….. plus 2 share all what I have worked 4 …. It’s like a night mare but the only thing is we r not goin 2 wake up from , I’m tryin 2 safe now by not using my heatin buyin less food + will have 2 cancel some of my bills ‘phone ect’…..
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i know what you mean cath, i’m trying everything to avoid putting the heating on and i’m feeling rough but i need to start saving now! i also have to go to a specialist neurological hospital this year and i’m worried i won’t be able to afford the train fares on top this tax…
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I am on Disability Living Allowance, higher rate. My house has been adapted for a disabled person (my husband, who sadly died suddenly 18 months ago)I have lived in this property for 30 years and never owed any rent. Now I have had an operation to correct my disability and will be coming off disability benefits soon, but have no job (I lost it due to my disability)
I am receiving treatment for depression partly due to this unfair tax and don’t know where to turn.
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Have you applied for the Discretionary Housing Payment Joy?
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This Bedroom tax is a complete joke i live in a 3 bed house and have done so for the past 25 years i have always worked and have raised 3 children on my own, due to ill health i am now on esa and am unable to work, i have one child whos now 16 still living with me i have spent thousands of hard earned money on my property including new front wall and gates which alone cost me £4000 its taken me years off saving and scrimping to have a beautiful home for my children why should i have to give up my home, the council have offered me a two bedroom house on a horrible council estate in very poor condition miles away from my friends and family. I swear id rather die of starvation then lose my home !!!!!!!
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we had to go through mortage rescue because both me and my husband cannot work having lots serious health problems , we would both love to be healthy enouugh to work , we did mortage rescue because we were only getting help towards half the mortage and they did help with all rented propertys now they are bringing in the bedroom tax and i have only just found out about the council tax contributions we will have to pay, we are 52 and 56 ,up untill the last few years worked all our life from when we were 14 years old , my husband has some dla and i have recently won an apeal to stay on esa , i went for a work related interview today and the advisor said there is nothing he could do to help me because of the amount of health issuses i have, he would just send for me again in three months to update the files as i have ongoing appointments with the heart consultant , sleep clinic because of central sleep apnia and nurolagist because of problems with my spine , we are increasingly worried about our future and feel really let down for working most of our life,
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This is what happens wen we the working class don’t stick together an use our vote. There is no way this cruel government should have got in to make these laws. This is so unjust an unfair. It’s our community that’s being dismantled and killed off. Y should people have to leave there family homes an friends an neibers
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it time this gov was out, i say lets put them out dont vote for them in 2015, yet it ok for the MP to have two homes why not put them in a hotel sure it would be cheaper
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Its not unfair its fair! and about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right i am working class and live in a council flat with my children, we are over crowded. My partner works 6 days a week on a measly wage just over the cut off so we do not receive any benefits other than (child benefit and tax credit) not even housing benefit. I think if you don’t pay the rent in your council home which has spare bedrooms then yes you should face housing benefit and other benefit cuts. Even if you don’t claim full housing benefit the same should apply. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve lived there, it doesn’t belong to you it belongs to the council if you wanted to stay in your council home maybe you could have looked into buying it from the council which now a days most people would give their right arm to be able to do, or try down sizing back then. I think most of you should be grateful you have a home as your not really paying for it, if only a percentage. Times are tougher and every one struggles not just you. I know people that pay a mortgage and have children of a different sex sharing a double bed in one room to keep warm at night, because they have to actually pay to get double glazed windows. My dad lives in a reck of a home with exposed concrete floors and wire’s he has hole’s in his floors and ceilings, and no central heating! i lived there and slept on the floor with my baby and partner until fortunately the council rehoused us. That is what social housing is for, the needy and homeless !! so even though our home maybe small and we struggle to get by i am grateful to have a roof over my head, so should you be as well three bedrooms or one!
by the way my dad is 56 and has done tarmacking all hes life, never had any qualifications and has arthritis in the bottom of hes back and hand he finally gave it up 5 months ago and since then been looking for a job night and day been to countless interviews and 2 weeks ago finally finished hes training to become a bus driver.
I’m sure he could of claimed disability for hes back like most people, but my dad has responsibilities, a mortgage to pay and some god damn dignity.
And i do agree that it can be hard to find work at a certain age, and at any age in many cases. But i think the problem may lie with immigration, the population grows every day with out the pressure of people who immigrate here looking for work. The government should have been more strict years ago because i think its slowly having an impact, putting more pressure on social housing and making jobs hard to come by.
Just to make clear I’m not against immigration. My partners mother immigrated from the philippines as a nurse. I do think rules have to be more strict people have to learn they cant get every thing for half free and need to take some responsibility in life, help those who truly need it and have the rich actually pay their tax’s!!!
make the corporate rich pay more tax, help people on benefits back to work and pay their way! but leave alone the ones stuck in the middle, the ones who work 6/7 days a week for nothing and get no help,and are always hit the hardest.
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Stop talking rubbish; get a mortgage and buy your council home? Well, that would surely help the housing shortage, wouldn’t it?
Sarah, so many council houses have been sold- often at huge discount- that Bevan’s vision of decent, good quality council homes for all has been perverted back to Lloyd George’s post WWI social housing agenda- homes for the needy. The failure to build has accentuated the issue and left us the mess we are in now.
I can see from your story how you would feel disenfranchised, but the fight is for you and people like you and your father to have good quality homes at affordable rents. This agenda will see us back to the days of the slum landlord, working or not.
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Sarah, the problem lies in the government and previous governments failure to build enough social housing and bad management of the economy! The right to buy is still in place for anyone who wishes to buy their council home, the right to buy was brought in as recognition to all those council tenants who worked hard to upkeep their council homes, who have paid enough in rent to buy their homes three times over in some cases, we know. We know we do not own the properties but when we signed the tenancy agreement it was for life, a legally binding agreement, not an agreement that says in thirty or forty years time you will be forced out from your home, a home that i am truly grateful for and one that i have paid a hell a lot of money for through years of very hard work, i must also point out that many of us through health reasons can not get a mortgage because we can’t get life insurance, i will also point out that councils do not give out free double glazing, the money for that is taken out of rents paid by tenants to bring their homes up to a decent standard and not by the average tax payer. The ones who work a full week are not being affected by this tax, if you work six days a week you will pay full rent anyway, the national minimum wage over six days gives enough to pay your rent!
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One thing I think you are wrong about there Henry. The right to buy was brought in by Thatcher to divide tenants, to get them thinking about their own interests as opposed to the interests of working people over all, and the need for Council housing. It was the right to buy which was responsible for the shortage of homes.
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hello martin and thanks for the reply, when i remember the tories bringing in the right to buy i can remember their reasons for bringing it in, i remember them saying that good hard working tenants have earned their right to buy, it’s not something i just made up, wether it was propaganda at the time or not they voiced this reasoning 🙂
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Fair enough Henry. However, the real reason was that they wanted to break up the base of support that Labour had on Council estates, by appealing to the self-interest of tenants. Together with RTB they progressively stopped Councils building new homes. Would you agree that RTB was one of the main reasons for the housing shortage now?
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I agree with you Henry ( and Martin).
Sarah isn’t seeing the bigger picture, the Tories seem to have succeded in causing friction between council tenants who are being affected by this unfair bedroom tax. I’ve lived in my council flat for nearly 3 decades now, paying full rent and council tax over that period, at no point did i ever think my tenancy would be under threat ,I’ve more than paid for this property twice over in rent payments. There is no way I will move, nor will any of my neighbours I’ve spoken to. I’d like to know what feasability study did the Tories carry out on this bedroom tax before they implemented it?, It will have little or no effect on the chronic housing shortage, .. Martin is right, .. we need more smaller properties built. I wasn’t given the option of a one bedroom flat when i moved in here in 1986, had I been offered a smaller flat, I would have gladly taken it at the time. Even if people want to downsize, yet they are told by thier council there are no smaller properties available, they will still have to pay the tax, .. how in Gods name can that be right??
This welfare bill was rushed through parliament with, it seems to me, little thought. I suppose if there is one tiny glimmer of light, .. it will , eventually bring about the downfall of this government, but not before many people’s lives have been wrecked.
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yes martin i agree with you that the huge right to buy sell off was partly to blame for the lack of social housing today, i also remember the tories saying that the money would be reinvested back into building new social stock, it never happened, the money was used elsewhere, it was a scam, i also believe that had the tories actually built the new homes promised the scheme would have worked, now we face a huge problem, if they build two million new homes every year from now on it will still not meet the social housing needs of this country, this bedroom tax will not even touch the tip of a very big iceberg, it has nothing to do with the social housing problem, it is purely to cut the housing deficit, i think the only way to bring any fairness into the bedroom tax is to introduce it to new tenants only, it’s just a really bad unfair tax and should be axed, it is also political suicide…
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Disgusting making us pay this tax.
I won’t pay it because its disgusting and unfair.
This government are deliberately targeting council tenants and I can’t afford to pay it as I’m a full time day/night carer and have just turned 60. It is disgusting and I don’t care what they do I will never pay it. SO!!!
I will pay no bedroom tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is also something that is going to frustrate me, and will be a problem for councils up and down the country. Abbey, i can see your point, I agree, it’s unfair, but I consider myself a law abiding person, and i will have to make extreme cuts to my budget in order to pay this extra £11:48 a week, it will be a real struggle for me to make ends meet, but I will pay it ( very very begrudgingly). I know there will be many who will refuse to pay it, therefore they will be £12 a week better off than me. I know i will feel resentful of those who refuse to pay it while I am trying to keep my head above water and paying it.
The tories are dividing the poor while we should be focused against them.
Maybe i will write to my council and ask what actions they will take if I refuse to pay.
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