The ‘bedroom tax’ applies only to people of working age. But it catches some people who would previously have received the state pension at 60. So for instance we have heard from a female tenant who is 59, turns 60 in November, but will not receive a state pension until 2015. We’ll call her Sheila. She was a single mum who has worked all her life but was made redundant early in 2011 and since then has had to claim benefits. Her financial plight is reflected in the fact that she had to get rid of her car because she could not afford to run it.
She is desperately keen to get a job but despite her best efforts she has been unable to get one. Like many people of her age she has suffered age discrimination in the job process.
“One in particular, a reception job, advised me that they very rarely employed people of my age to deal face to face with the general public. That was before we began the interview. Others have asked how I would cope working in ‘a young and dynamic environment’. I have also met other people who are in my age group and even slightly younger who are finding it impossible to get work because they also encounter age discrimination.”
Sheila says “I have lived in this house, which is my home, for 16 years. I have always paid my rent and had my house fully occupied until 2009 when my family left home.” Her son, his partner and her granddaughter lived with her but now have their own home.
So she is a single person in a 3 bedroom Council house. If she were a little older she would not face having her benefits cut – pensioners are excluded. She was born a little ‘too late’ being caught by the change in the state pension age for women. She considers herself “Too old to be employed but too young to be safeguarded from the bedroom tax and being classed as an OAP. Because this pension age has now changed I find myself in no mans land. ”
What does she have to live on? She is on income based job seekers allowance. With £71 a week she is supposed to pay household bills, eat and clothe herself. From next April she will have to pay the Council the 25% cut she will suffer in her Housing Benefit because she is “underoccupying” her home. “This has to be one of the most unjust laws ever created and I would like to think the court of human rights would agree,” she says.
Could she not ‘downsize’? Well, she has lived in her current house for 16 years. She has invested time and money in improving it and not surprisingly she considers it to be her home. She’s happy with the area she lives in. She feels it’s a decent place to live.
“Also now being on my own I feel safe as I know people, I can walk to the shops and my son’s home, if I needed to, is in walking distance. I walk my dog every night around 10-10.30pm and have no fear of being out at that time.”
She has been advised by the Council that she will have to put her name forward for an exchange or a transfer into a smaller property or she will have to pay the tax in April.
“I don’t want to be forced out of my home and it is feels awful to even attempt to begin looking. But I wonder what will happen to anyone who cannot find a smaller property and cannot find the extra money. Are we all to be evicted or prosecuted? The courts will be even busier and cost the council and council tax payer even more money.”
Even if Sheila asks for a move (she only ‘qualifies’ for a one bedroom property according to the ‘bedroom standard’) it might take years before she is offered one because she is one of 775 households which the Council estimates would have to move to a one bedroom property in order not to suffer a cut in their Housing Benefit. However, last year the Council only gave 104 one bedroom tenancies, so even if they did not give tenancies to people on the housing waiting list it could take the best part of eight years to move all the existing tenants who are deemed only to need one bedroom.
Given the shortage of accommodation of the ‘right size’ if Sheila was offered an alternative she might have to move away from the area that she is comfortable with, leaving her neighbours and friends, without knowing what life would be like in an area she didn’t know.
It might fundamentally alter (and potentially worsen) the quality of her life.
If she was offered a one bedroom flat, it would, of course, cost a lot of money to move since her furniture and other belongings would probably be too big for a one bedroom property.1 Of course, Sheila does not have the money to cover such expense.
Sheila will lose over £20 from her £71 because she has two “spare” bedrooms. She will also face losing more of this miserable sum that she is expected to live on. The government is scrapping Council Tax benefit in April 2013 replacing it with a grant to Councils which will cover only 90% of the bill. Councils will have to decide who qualifies for it. However, they will not be allowed to reduce support for “vulnerable” people and pensioners. The exclusion of pensioners will mean that claimants of working age will be hit especially hard, with 20-30% cuts expected. As Sheila and people like her are neither “vulnerable” nor pensioners, she will have to pay out more money from her already reduced job seekers allowance. So she and others will face a double blow.
“I find it sinister that the government is setting a law that reeks of age discrimination. Logically when you think about it they must be aware that the majority of people that will be affected will be in my age bracket. The older person whose family has grown up and moved on, the older person who is unemployed and experiences employment attitudes of being too old to be offered a job. We are a group of forgotten people in this country who seem to have no voice. Regarded as too old to work but too young to retire. How can any government expect the job market to adhere to age laws when it is introducing the bedroom tax law that targets the very people they say should not be discriminated against?”
“I feel so strongly about this not just for myself but for everyone else this is affecting and I am fearful of my future. People like myself are not scroungers and trying to survive on benefits is living hell.”
Sheila has considered taking in a lodger but currently she would lose money from her jobseekers allowance.
She represents one group of people who will be affected by the bedroom tax. We will look at examples of other groups in future articles. Suffice it to say that her example shows the callous and inhuman nature of the policy of the coalition government. When the Council tax cut kicks in she will face living on less than £50 a week. The rich, in contrast, will be facing tax cuts provided care of what Tory MP Nadine Dorries described as “arrogant rich boys who don’t know the price of milk”.
The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock. It cannot work because there are too few homes for people in need of housing, and there are not enough homes of the ‘right’ size. Instead of penalising the poor for a shortage which is not their fault the government should facilitate a new Council house building programme to address the shortage of ‘social housing’.
1 We recently received an email from another tenant who said she had moved from a 3 bedroom house to a two bedroom flat. “This has been quite a large expense as nothing fitted from the house – carpets, curtains, decorating, restoring garden etc.”
Martin Wicks

The whole system is wrong. I have a total weekly income of £75, made up of my late husband’s pensions. Out of that I have to pay rent to the council and as for the council tax “benefit” – don’t make me laugh. I was awarded the princely “discount” of, wait for it, 60p per month – i.e. 15p per week. In effect I’m expected to pay full council tax. This has gone to Appeal and I am still waiting for it to be sorted out. To make matters worse, this has been back-dated to the day my husband died, landing me with a £4000 bill for so-called “overpayment of benefits”. I have hid nothing, never claimed a penny more than I was told I was entitled to and considering until 5 years ago I worked full-time and paid tax and NI all my life, only giving up work to care for my ill son, not claiming one penny in benefits in that time, it makes me very, very angry. My son is currently studying for qualifications he missed because of the lengthy spells he was in hospital so is on JSA.
At the moment I have my own health problems to deal with – a broken wrist that hasn’t healed up, currently waiting to see a specialist. Despite the pain from my wrist I have had to look for work and have found a job paying minimum working wage but it’s better than nothing. Unfortunately, the knock on effect on my wrist is that it’s swelling and very painful, necessitating wearing the splint again. It is my dominant hand that is damaged.
I sympathise entirely with this lady. I’m lucky, my son still lives at home and will for the foreseeable future. I hope with all my heart that this wicked government who is targeting the weakest and most vulnerable people in society are quickly thrown out of office and never, ever allowed to return. Their hatred of the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable is stomach churning.
I too wonder if there’s anything in the Human Rights Act that could be used to turn round this dreadful, spiteful legislation.
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I am looking into the possibilty of mounting a legal challenge to them using human rights legislation as a possible weapon. But i need something to work with. If there were enough of us prepared to band together as a group collectively we would have a better chance than just one solitary person. I need someone who is clued up on the Human Rights Act to look at this piece of shitty law and see if there are any possible grounds upon which we can attack it Discrimination is one thing that come to mind. If there is any one interested please let me know my address is bluebottle45@yahoo.co.uk
I realise that we may not get anywhere but this time i feel we have no choice but to fight and i would welcome any ideas as to how to go about this
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good luck with it john, i wondered if the fact that we signed contracts for life might be a good reason in the court of human rights, a contract that has been changed with out negotiation, or the emotional attachment side for those of us who have put blood sweat and tears into “our” homes, would you have signed the contract if it said you had to take in a lodger
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im a 43 yrd old disabled man i cant work and up until recently i got full council tax and rent allowance. now they are saying i have to pay a percentage of both because im single and i have 1 too many bedrooms. i took this bungalow because it was the only option available except a 1 bedroom house which is unsuitable for me as im confined to a wheelchair. i dont want to leave the village i live in because ive lived here sincer i was six and my whole life is here ie my family and friends and not to mention my support network. this situation is completely unfair and im at my wits end
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This situation is bad enough 4 lots of people but the likes of y situation is absolutely disgusting …we r goin back 2 ww2 we will have no heating no food no money 2 replace elec goods when they break down … There will be lots of people on the street begging kids goin hungry … Yes we all need someone 2 stand up 4 us please I hope someone out there is listening ?
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This is one example of the abuse of the ‘Human Rights’.flawed law.
No-one (single person) has a human right to occupy a 3 bedroom house that they don’t pay for. If they pay the full rent, then fine.
But stop asking the council tax payer to subsidise having 2 spare bedrooms.
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Council Tax payers don’t pay for HB. Tax payers do, but most of the people on HB have paid their tax and NI over the years.
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hi john i struggle as well ive got 33 pounds a week to live on,im 59 ex veteran and im made to suffer….
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the system is totaly wrong we have been told that our 1st bedroom will cost us £11.50 and the the 2nd will take that upto 25% we have 2 bedroom houses on our estate owened by the council renting at £90 per week ours rents at £97 per week i know i must be thick but £97 – £90 = £7 so what gives them the right to charge us more? how can the legaly do this think i may try to seek legal advice on this matter wonder if anyone else has seen the differance could cost the council a lot of money in court fees I asked a council coustomer services person what they thought there reply ” he could not see the lodgic in us moving from a 3 bedroom house costing £97 into a housing association 2 bedroom house costing over £100 per week he thought it was not to well thought out but he said its because they need 3 bedroom homes and they could get them this way” i asked if maybe we could take in lodgers from the council waiting list till they where re-housed he said “he would look into that idear” that was over 4 weeks ago they arnt intrested in helping us keep our home which we have lived in for over 12 years and have done 90% of all our repairs and improvements they just want to keep the goverment happy and not stand up for our rights as secure tennents cant someone stand in our corner and fight for us!!!!!!!!!!!
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page.
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I too am at this inbetween age where I do not get my state pension until I am 63 (I am 59 at the moment). I am lucky enough to be working full time and pay full rent on a 3 bedroomed council house which I have lived in for 20 years. I am so worred about being turfed out to an area I do not know or may not like, away from my lovely neighbours and the home I have known for all these years. I am so depressed about it and what the future holds that I am now on anti-depressants. I feel sick at the thought of being penalised for what I thought would have been a happy time in my life. The Council will have to be held responsible if people in this position are being make ill or maybe worse if this Big Brother attitude is allowed to continue. Make no mistake someone will be pushed too far with this and it will be Council’s fault!!!!!
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I can sympathsize with you Carol but try to bear in mind that you are not alone this regressive tax will as usual hit at those who are least able to strike back. The Tories are not known as the Nasty Party for nothing and they appear to be oblivious to the harm they will inflict, neither do they care. Perhaps what they need is a dose of French bloody mindedness and we should engage in a campaign of civil disobedience. Push people too far and they WILL kick back…..Hard.
Remember, it could be said that they rely on fear to maintain control and the fear of being homeless and by definition powerless is probably what they really want.
I wish i could offer you some hope or a means of striking back that would force them to take notice but i fear that the only way to make them listen is the use of direct action as they will not listen otherwise.
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HI carol I am 60 I find myself having to pay 2 bedroom taxes I can not afford to live in my home of 37 years nor can I afford to downsize the housing society that took over my council house don’t give cash incentives to move the only thing left for me is to live? on the streets
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So, the bedroom tax is described as “The bedroom tax is explained as a means of making ‘better use’ of the scarce social housing stock.”; funny how I have been told it is to ‘help’ people into more suitable accommodation. Which is it, wonder? It just reeks of excuses for hitting the poor again.
Let’s not divide ourselves into ‘young’ and ‘old’ camps, there are young people who live alone in two bedroomed accommodation this legislation will hit; there are separated couples who have a spare room to accommodate children’s access at weekends. Both these (and other) groups have presumably had their housing needs assessed by councils and been allocated suitable properties based on need and availability.
I have also been told by Tamworth Borough Council’s housing portfolio holder that working tenants who do not claim a rent rebate but are assessed as ‘under-occupied’ will pay a surcharge equivalent to the benefit they would lose were they claiming said benefit; it is not just those on benefits that will be affected.
I have said it before, but will continue to repeat it; the bedroom tax and the reduction in council tax benefits:
1. Will hit the poor the hardest, and I do not believe this is accidental; it is by design.
2. Is divisive, making the poor and working class easier to control and manipulate; again by design.
3. Will result in more revenue for govt. to distribute as tax breaks for the wealthy.
4. Will see council homes empty and sold off.
5. Will encourage tenants to buy- fait accompli!
6. Will circumvent Security of Tenure legislation which gives you the right to stay in your home.
It is an abysmal and despotic piece of legislation. I want to hear a Labour politician say they will repeal any such legislation in their first term of office. I am not holding my breath.
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Carol they can’t turf you out. Obviously cutting HB is a mens of pressuring people to move, but, of course, there aren’t enough homes of the ‘right’ size to move people, but they cannot force people to move.
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y right to stay where you are yes. but financially you will be in debt with the rent and so evicted anyway. Ironically if you are a victim of forced eviction the council is obliged to find alternative normally very costly accomodation.
I could move to a one bedroomed property but it would have to be private at a cost of three times more the rent than my current home. I downsized last year to free up a three bedroomed house. Being on ESA waiting for a back op, this will be the eighth month of waiting, I cannot work, but am of working age. My ESA just about covers my living expenses now with no such like luxeries like sky. I am being forced eviction, which by the way is against human right laws.
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If you are evicted for non payment of rent it is not a forced eviction, its is classed as ‘making yourself intentionally homeless’ and the council are not duty bound to re-house you.
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I’m disabled in a two bed house which is unsuitable for my needs as I can’t get upstairs very easily, I’m willing to downsize to a one bed bungalow but there arn’t any. Do you still have to pay if you’re willing to move?
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I’m afraid that if you are of working age you still get penalised if you are in receipt of HB.
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thats a good point about Pets, .. many people regard their pets as close family members, and downsizing will mean they won’t be able to take their pets with them.
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Smiling Carcass. I don’t believe that somebody under-occupying can be surcharged. They have no legal ability to do so. If this idiot said this to you verbally I would suggest you write to him to confirm whether or not they are thinking of doing this. What’s the guy’s name?
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What I meant to say was ” I don’t believe somebody who is ‘under-occupying’ but not recceiving HB can be surcharged.”
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Martin is correct, they cannot surcharge anyone paying full rent.
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martinwicks
This is just what government want to hear; people saying they can’t do this, won’t do that. When you realise they can and will, it is too late- it’s done.
First and this is addressed to you, too Carol, if they introduce a reduction in benefit- or a surcharge- and you cannot pay it, you will accrue arrears. When the arrears become high enough and unpaid councils can seek possession orders through the courts, so effectively they can ‘turf you out’.
Second, the fact that there are not enough homes of the right size is irrelevant, which is why this legislation will make you pay whether you refuse to move or whether, willing or not, the council has nowhere to move you to.
As for surcharging under-occupiers not in receipt of housing benefits no they can’t do that at the moment, which is one of the details of this legislation that people are unaware of; the government only has to pass a law saying they can.
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These stories should be relayed to welfare@tpas.org.uk who are compiling a dossier to lobby parliament with.
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At first i thougt this was wrong and in most ways it is,me and my wife moved south through mutual exhange, there is only 2 of us , no kids.
Really we was only lookng for a 1 bed, but we could only get a 2 bed house so we thought well then if we take this , then we can move again and give someont the house they needed and in return get a one bed flat.
Been using the mutual exchange sites for a good while
i must say there is so many people on there on benefits especially the ones in the good areas demanding 3 bed houses for their 1 bed flats, when theres only one or a couple.they want it all drives, gardens, patios etc just because they have a 1 bed flat in a good area of say, london
these are the people that this bedroom tax will bring down to earth!!!!
its these people the councils should not allow
this bedroom tax thing is a nitemare for most but there so may people abusing the system
if one thing this bedroom tax will do is stop these people who really dont need huge homes and are just trying to be something their not, then im all for it.
i have already made the move in advance of this bedroom tax from a very large 2 bed house to a pretty small 1 bed flat, but then it dont bother me as im not into having big propertys with huge gardens just to be big on nothing.
when this bedroom tax comes in the councils should look at every case individually , as in most cases its just not right ,but i doubt this will happen.
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June, I appreciate what you are trying to say but if a person is living in adequate council accommodation and wishes to move to larger council accommodation for which they have no need, then under EXISTING legislation councils have no requirement to accommodate them.
Also, June, this legislation will not necessarily stop them. If you need accommodation and the only accommodation available leaves you ‘under-occupying’ then you will be required to pay the ‘Bedroom Tax’ if you choose to accept the council’s offer; of course, if you are looking to the council for help, you will likely have little choice but to accept and pay the ‘Tax’.
I would also like to emphasise here that we are not talking about houses; we are talking about homes; folk who have lived in a home for possibly 20-30 years being forced to move or pay the ‘Tax’ because their children have grown up and moved on.
The problem is the shortage of council accommodation; a shortage that has been created and exacerbated by the selling off of council stock and the failure of councils and government to build; if we could afford do it after the expense of fighting and winning a world war, surely we could do it today, given the will to do so.
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Are there any marches or demos pland ? How much more can this crule government do to kick the poor an venerable in these hard times? I used to be proud to be British but this Tory government makes me hate my country now.
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And we all thought Margaret Thatcher was a saint letting us buy our council homes. When the truth was she was adhering to the plan of the powers behind the government. To get rid of social housing. Privatise everything!
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ok it is a shortfall in housing benefit commonly hidden within wefare reform, I am an admin of an advice chat group http://www.facebook.com/groups/btukhomeswapnetwork/ i see it all the time people just dont know what to do some want to fight it well that is there choice we did at 1st made a petition up spoke about a mass none payment (which wont work as people are not willing to risk their homes just incase we are british afterall) but the more we looked into it and saw the loopholes close up it just show how much effort the gov has put into this there is no way they are going to back down, others just want to get correct information due to councils and HAs giving out rubbish but we all help each other so if you want more uptodate info talk to people in similar situation come to see us.
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Olivia, with the greatest respect your post sounds far too defeatist. It is my opinion that the reason there is little enthusiasm for fighting these anti-poor laws is that people do not understand the implications. They are also divisive, splitting the working class who own their homes and those that do not. That is why we must broadcast the facts and encourage people to act- writing to MP’s, the PM, petitions and demonstrations.
Thanks for the link to your FB page. There is another here-
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/
for those interested.
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Olivia has been removed off an number of sites because of her abuse to those people who do not have the same opinion as she does. Unfortunatly her and the other admin of the site she put up likes to kick people off who only ask that we put some fight up!
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I think the Council Tax Benefit cut in April will be a step too far, and inevitably people will not be able to pay. I would encourage people in the position of Sheila to join the non-payment campaign and refuse to pay their Council Tax. This will not put their Tenancy at risk, and provided it is a mass campaign supported by many people within her local community there will be little risk in taking part. We can defeat this the same way we defeated the Poll Tax: Can’t Pay – Won’t Pay!
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only problem of non payment of council tax is that it is seen as tax fraud and is punished with a fine and custodial sentence
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hi gary the courts are overflowing as it is, let the government? put us all in jail for non payment it will cost much more. I believe it costs government about £30,000 a year for one con to stay in jail.
Many pensioners would like a nice warm cell with 3 square meals a day
Good luck with everything
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It’s not tax fraud as it’s not a tax. It’s called a tax to scare us into paying. Councils are private corporations making profits. We are all being hoaxed and scammed. Yes they can take us to court and fine us or lock us up. But it’s all unlawful under Common Law. No one is lawfully allowed to be fined without first being able to state their case in a court. All magistrates courts are unlawful as they are fictitious and do not have any validity under Common Law. All legalities ie Acts and Statutes are not lawful. Legal is a fictitious word to scare us into thinking its law, it’s not! The uk is a corporation. A business. We are lining it’s pockets unwittingly. We are being scammed big time.
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I know far too many single people sitting pretty in there 3 bed houses, whilst 2 rooms go unused. There are 7 of us living in a 2 bed flat in Brentwood…that’s right 7 people (2 adults and 4 children under 6yrs)…..and yes, we pay our rent and tax.
These selfish people hogging much needed homes should be grateful for the years and memories they have had bringing there children up in a house. It’s time to down size and allow others to do the same.
It’s not like your going to be made homeless, you will still hv a roof over your head, granted just a smaller size.
And lets face it……it’s your own fault if you are still living in council aged 50 plus as you had the advantage years ago to become a home owner when “affordable homes” where about.
Stop moaning about it, it’s your own faults for not becoming a home owner when you had the chance in your 30’s.
The whole point of social housing is to help those who need it and to provide a roof over your head….not luxury living!!!! I’m sure everyone would love a 3 bedroom house.
So, start selling your excess furniture from your 2 spare rooms (earn yourself a bit of pocket money) and allow others to have a better quality of life.
Try and see it from my perspective….who is going to suffer more and have less quality of life. One person being down sized into a bed home or 7 people in a 2 bedroom home?!?!? It’s not rocket science……
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I can understand your frustration Amy, over-crowding is worse in London. But you should direct your fire at your Councillors and the politicians who have sold off our homes and not built replacements. There are people prepared to ‘downsize’ but there aren’t enough smaller homes to move them into. Even people who have asked for a move, but their Council have nothing to give them, will suffer a cut in their HB. How fare is that?
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Amy, I understand where you are coming from, but Martin is right; the government themselves have said they know there aren’t enough smaller homes, so this can only be a money making scam.
I would also add that the operative word is homes- they have lived there for many years and are from an era of council house building and expected to stay there for life.
As for blaming them and saying it’s your own fault for not buying, I am 55 and have no wish, never had a wish to buy my own home- even when my income tax was as much as most of my mates wages and could well afford it. That is/was my personal choice.
And by the way, had they opted to buy their home when they had a chance, those homes would certainly not be available for you, however many bedrooms were unused; it is this sale of council homes and failure to build that has created the crisis and the government is trying to blame the tenant, once again for something beyond their control.
As for the ‘point of social housing’ you need to read your history; what is today’s social housing was yesterday’s ‘homes for all’ designed and built for everybody from the unemployed to the manager and; previous to that, council accommodation was ‘social housing’ so we are going back 100 years to how it was when Lloyd George proposed ‘homes fit for heroes’. Is that what we want? A step back 100 years?
And Amy, I do see it from your perspective- but also from the perspective of somebody like myself, who has raised two children to adulthood in my home; who sees it as my right to stay here; and while I sympathise with your situation, I don’t blame you for wanting my home (metaphorically speaking); I blame the government for not building and providing you with one.
I would like to add I am not currently under-occupied so the proposed legislation will not affect me immediately. But it is tyrannical and pits ordinary people against ordinary people when we should be united against a common foe.
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I agree with you smiling Carcass..
My take on it is, that there are too many people living on this island (sorry if I offend) Everything is lacking these days!
I have three boys aged 16years (still at home,doing his Alevels) aged 13 and 8. In two years time,when my oldest goes off to uni, I will have the same problem,because of the new rules being put in place,the same sex thing.
I have a three bedroom local authourity house , which I have worked hard to make liveable..new bathroom,kitchen,nice garden..For my ‘family’. I will be and my boys will be devasted when we have to move.We are happy where we live and I have always paid my rent on time and lived accordingly…
This is a evil plan..And will make a lot of people homeless.
All we want to do is give our family the best and with each stone unearthered,this government is trying to destroy our lives!
The morons who are making these descisions WITHOUT our consent know doubt have seven bedroomed mansions and second homes..But I doubt they have seven children. They make me want to vomit! They are judases to the very people who built this country up and my great great grandpa would be crying in his grave!
Why should I give my family home up,which I have lived in for 10years..to another? I am sorry if you don’t like what I say Amy,but no.no..It’s NOT my fault you are in the situation you are in….It’s the very people who have put YOU and your FAMILY where you are now..The ‘ruling class’ So DON’T blame me,blame them!!
They will have to take me to court to get myself and my children out,there is no doubt about that. And when I do have to finally succumb.there will not be a bathroom,garden or kitchen left,not the one I worked hard to build anyway!!!
I believe in the ‘New World Order’..Believe me this is only THE beggining!
I didn’t buy Amy,but I rented and paid my way.
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you talk a lot of sense but wot bout the removal of council tax benefit for a reward scheme we all know that local council favour the old and who they call people of priority ie nurse doc police i think as of april out of £71 a week i will see only £30 maybe if lucky £40 a week after spending £10 on elec £10 on water £5 on tv the job centre want me to have a car still and home internet where the money for food? lol other question i have my rent is low but service charge is high so the 14 percent i have to pay is that at just rent rate or at the rate of service charge included?
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Amy, I want to move!!!!!!!! I AM ON A NEVER-ENDING COUNCIL LIST TO MOVE!!!! There are NO, allow me to REPEAT NO properties available to downsize everyone. Social housing has been neglected since the 1980s and NEVER picked up, so yes Amy, you can cast stones at me and believe me I can throw them right back at you! EVERYTIME i check the homes I’ve bid on – on the choose your home site – people who were on the list several years before me get the property – SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO MOVE OUT ON TO THE STREET BECAUSE YOU WANT MY HOME. I AM BEYOND INCENSED THAT I HAVE TO PAY THE POOR-LAW TAX ALL BECAUSE THERE’S NO SMALLER PROPERTIES FOR ME TO MOVE INTO. I GUARANTEE THAT’S THERE’S GOING TO BE RIOTS IN THIS COUNTRY THE LIKES WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!!! THE POLL TAXES RIOTS WILL BE NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT’S COMING
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. Diane if you have not allready atke a look at this page.
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you are write Diane the is 700 people waiting to move in the town were i live.the is no 1 bedroom flats most of the one bedroom flat have pensioners in them.so they are not going to want to move into a 3 bedroom house.if we all get private flats that will bankrupt the council.because private flats are more expensive than a 3 bedroom council house.the government hasn’t even thought about were people are going to live.they just see the pounds sign.and taking money off the people that most need it.
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wot your not getting amy i have worked all my life until last year when i became a full time carer for 2 elderly relatives. i brought my 2 kids up in my council house and over the years spent a lot of money on my house and garden why should i have to give my lovely home up because now i am getting housing benefit because the rent i have paid in 25 years i could have bought it
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Amy, you have some kind of nerve telling people what they should do (i.e selling furniture, etc) I have a question for you (since you so eloquently saw fit to give me advice): why didn’t you stop breeding when your property was full? You rant on there’s 2 adults and a house full of kids in a 2 bed property — who’s fault is that? You might be thinking what business is it of mine how many children you have? The fact of the matter is: don’t slam others’ and not expect a response, suffice to say I’ll sell my furniture if you seek some serious family planning advice.
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To everybody, please stop attacking each other- it is what the government wants; divide and conquer.
We all have requirements, and all need a government to supply those requirements, either directly or through a third party. In return, we pay the government taxes to pay for this. The issue here is the government has not seen fit to keep their side of the contract, and given our taxes away to the rich who do not need the money or the services. In this instance, it is adequate housing.
So, if you must blame somebody, blame the government and tell them you are unhappy you are living in unsuitable accommodation or that you are being victimised for being poor.
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Carcass is right, the government would love nothing better than us having a go at each other. The source of our problem is not people ‘under-occupying’ its the shortage of housing resulting from this and the previous government refusing to build council housing.
It’s a sad state of affairs when tenants have a go at tenants who are on benefits. The overwhelming majority are on benefits because of their life circumstances, not because they don’t want to work. There are 2.5 million people unemployed and nearly 1.5 million who are in part-time work only because they cannot get a full-time job.
And one of the reasons why the HB bill has gone up (aside from the economic crisis) is because the previous government introduced ‘rent equalisation’ which basically meant driving up council rents to the level of HOusing Association rents. This was because they imagined that if rents were the same for Council and HA tenants then we wouldn’t bother opposing our homes being transferred to HA’s.
If tenants don’t stick together then we’ll get shafted as individuals.
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well a note to the government, this will affect at least 700,000 people, that is one hell of a legacy to leave behind, the loss of 700,000 voters…not to mention their friends and family that will be affected, i would estimate at least 1 million votes lost, not only the votes lost but a legacy of hate for many many years to come, will this bedroom tax insure you never come into power again for a very long time, yes i think it probably will…i said this to a friend who is training to be an M.P. he was dumbfounded…
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love it mate well said
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I will downsize once my child has left home or by then in a position to buy a small home, I have happily lived in a one bedroom property for years why should the taxpayers pay to keep 2 people who don’t work in a 3 bedroom house? its social housing for people who need it and if you have a spare bedroom your not in need of that property so should be forced to move or private rent a smaller place. Like I said on my previous post aswell there should be a tax for lazy people aswell who think its ok to not work for 10 years I understand times can be hard for everyone at some point but people who refuse to work should be forced out their 3 bedroom home, have their benefits cut and kicked up the backside I am pregnant and working my socks off and will teach my children the same
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I totally agree with you it upsets me to hear how self centred people can be, your homes holds memories and people want to rest not keep moving on,I am 51 and my two sons still live with me in a three bedroom house when they do move on what’s saying one might become homeless I would like to think that they can come back if they need to I also have grand children they can stay.it worries me to think what is happening soon there will be a major up roar
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Could’nt have put it better myself !!!!! i’m disgusted to say the least, their going to force people out of their homes, i have a feeling this is not going to end well , all hell will break loose!!!
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Well said Chris 🙂
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While to some extent I agree with the comments, and understand the reason for them, please try not to fall for the ‘divide and rule’ tactic and point the finger where blame lies; at policies that sell of council housing with huge discounts; the refusal of successive governments and councils to replenish the housing stock and an administration whose social engineering and cleansing techniques are to be applauded- if they were not so devastating to those they target.
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You here this all the time what you are saying, this government are turning people against each other, people who have worked all of their lives who’s family have left and moved out and who have paid enough rent to have paid for the house 3 times over but just didn’t have enough wages to buy there own home, you make a point that you are paying your rent and people should have bought there own home by 50 so why do you want a council home? Amy we have been spoonfed lies and propaganda by governments to turn us against each other, we all need to stand together before they take us back to Victorian times and workhouses.
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I am a 56 year old mother and I have shared my Yorkshire Housing home with my daughters, who are both in their twenties, for the past six years. My elder daughter has recently left home leaving myself and my younger daughter in a 3-4 bedroomed house. One of the “bedrooms” being next to the living room and not convenient to be used as a bedroom. Shortly after we moved into the house my elderly mother was taken ill with cancer. As the rest of the family took a step backwards I was left alone to care for my mum. As she had been living abroad she had no home of her own and it was decided that she would move in with me, and I would be her main carer. In March 2007 my mum passed away, she died in my home. Since that day I have struggled with the deepest depression, not living in the normal way, I also suffer from fibromyalgia. Rarely leaving the house and feeling such sadness that I find it hard to function on a day to day basis. I have now been advised by Yorkshire Housing that changes are to be made next April that will not enable me to stay in my own home. My Housing Manager tells me that I will then be liable to pay a large portion of my rent from my Incapacity Benefit, which I find hard to live on as it is. I am devastated and I want to be allowed to stay in the home where my mother died. I have an enormous emotional attachment to the house and I have worked hard to bring the house up to a decent standard. I do not know what will happen if I am forced to give up my home after everything me and my family have been through. The thought of not being able to stay in my own home has exasperated my depression and has restarted my anxiety. I pray that someone can help us. I don’t know who to turn to but I really think the Government should know what they are putting us through.
Surely the whole idea of Social Housing was to give security to families that cannot afford their own homes. When children grow up and leave home their parents will now be forced out of their own homes because they simply cannot afford to pay the extra 12 and half percent rent. What happens if a family member passes away and a room becomes vacant – are the Government going to tax these poor people so they too will be unable to stay in their own homes? What will happen to an elderly parent who has lived in their home for many years after the family has left – are they too going to be forced out of their homes because they can not afford the ‘Bedroom Tax’? How can they afford the cost of moving house in later life – that itself is money that we don’t have. There are many scenarios where the Bedroom Tax will force people to leave their homes, surely this must contradict the whole point of social housing. The Government is hitting the poorest people in the community – removing their security and forcing them out of their homes. It is unfair, unjust and takes advantage of the disadvantaged. In a word it is horrific. This cannot be right.
I have contacted my local Conservative MP and I have emailed the PM in the hope that they would reconsider but they simply side-stepped and passed me to the Department of Work and Pensions without really considering the argument.
Not only are people suffering financially, but emotionally as well.
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hi lu, my heart goes out to you. You are right the sick, aged, and vunerable are all being targeted, This is a delibirate ploy by the government that has been going on for years. Where will it end. tax the air we breathe? There are going to be a lot of people in our situation. The governing powers that be have absolutley no idea of the real impact this is going to have. As the saying goes you cant get much sense out of a block of wood ENOUGH SAID
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no one is taking away your security, you will be given another home so you still have a roof over your head and security, you will be ‘adequately’ housed i.e. if you need one bedroom that is all you will get. I’ not saying I agree with it but, social housing is for people in need, a single person does not need a 3 bed house.
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Having just read your story I now know y hate my country more an more each day. I can remember the last time the Torys wer in power an the pain they forced on the people of this country. I hope to god this evil law gets scrapped and you can live in your family home until you decide to move if you want. Good luck and always remember you are not on your own.
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Thank you for caring Nelson, all the best to you too, I think we are all going to need it if this law goes through, but sadly I think it will.
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well it could be said amy that you are irresponsible for not using a condom! why have such a big family when you can’t house them all…lets face it, it’s your fault for having too bigger family! there are two sides to every story, does that make you selfish…you see the argument here, there are too many contradictions, too many arguments for this bedroom tax to be just and fair to everyone…
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Hi amy, i understand your point, but each indivisual has different circumstances. In my 30,s after going through a divorce, i did consider buying my home but with 3 children to raise it was not feasible. In my 40,s as the children were leaving the nest i reconsidered only to find out i would not get the 55% off the value only a standard 16,000 off the total value which had gone up by more than 100%. So you are wrong to judge people like that, the govt and councils have orchestrated this to there own advantage, and want everyone at each others throats, well done amy you have fell into the trap.Also i put in for a transfer to a smaller property over a decade ago,as my home was too big,in all this time i have only been offered a high rise flat in a notorious area. even though they are aware i suffer a chronic illness, I have also paid for a membership on exchange sites, but unfortunately nothing suitable has come up yet. Ive been told ive accumilated high points to bid for properties but alas even bidding for 1 bed properties has not resulted in 1 viewing, so what next?
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Well said, Sihiron.
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Sorry, Shiron- spelled your name wrong! Damn keyboard!
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The only thing i can suggest is simply, ” DON’T VOTE CONSERVATIVE,…. IT’S BAD FOR YOU” .
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Thats like saying to you why you got loads of kids.You`ve put yourself in your situation.It might not of been financially feasable for these people to buy.
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Amy, with 4 youngsters of that age, according to the welfare reform act, you are occupying the correct sized accommodation. Children under 10 are expected to share, regardless of gender
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this is a comment for Amy, i find your comment extremely patronizing, for someone who cant count, and evidently you forgot to mention the fact that you were a fortune teller, and could predict the huge rise in house prices in todays current market, just out of curiosity did you buy a house when it was still cheap enough to do so?? forgive me for being rude, but it sounds like to me a very biased comment. I think if you took a good look at the statistics of how many people on HB need to downsize, compared to the actual number of houses there are to downsize into, i think then maybe you would see people’s points of views, rather than just your own.
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yes wonderful ill swop you love you can have my neighbours drug dealers 1 side and yes they will hammer your door looking for a fix no matter what the time is the other are polish he is going to court for assaulting 2 CHILDREN still wanna swop and risk your children im on the list to downsize no one wants my 3 bed house oh and by the way dont expect to sleep the music and partys will stop that dont tar us all with the same brush i worked and paid rent for the privalidge of the above now i need 2 bedroom cant get one
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You say therer are seven people…two adults and four children make six. As all of your children are so young they should be expected to share rooms. Even when we grew up we shared rooms as did most people. Living at home I did not have a room to myself until I was about sixteen when my older siblings left home. Sorry but in this case I feel you are wrong and I agree with some who believe that you should not have so many children and expect to be moved to a big house because of your choice when others are having to make decisions to have smaller families because of the same thing.
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Just because we had to suffer it, doesn’t mean we should expect younger generations to suffer the same conditions we did.
The idea of progress, I thought was to make things better, not to go back to the ‘good old days’ of infant mortality, death from curable diseases complicated by poor living conditions, overcrowding and private slum landlords.
Yes, younger children could share a room, but are we to be moved on every time the demography of our families change? Remember, many of these under occupied families were given the house freely because there were no smaller properties; now we have a dearth of properties of any size.
Point the finger at government, not your social allies and fellow sufferers.
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Before you have ago at people in three bedroom houses I have been trying to downsize for two years now I’m in a three bedroomed house and work full time but for a one bedroom bungalow thaywonted a lot more rent which I can’t afford so don’t have ago at us take your frustration out on the council
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Good point Amy. There are always 2 sides to a story. There are plenty of families in over crowded homes. If those who no longer require a large property moved out, surely this would solve the problem!!
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It can’t solve the problem because there aren’t enough houses of the ‘right size’. There are 775 households in Swindon that ‘need’ a one bedroom property, but last year only 104 one bedroom properties were let. So it would take the best part of 8 years to move them even if not a single person on the waiting list was given a tenancy in that timescale. The problem can’t be resolved without building new ‘social homes’ on a big scale.
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I am in my late 30’s, single parent of a 2 year old, been on housing list for sometime whilst living in small 2 bed flat, been lucky to get a 2 bed house but had to opt for a very rural location in order to not be on housing list for years!!! Was not getting anywhere on bidding system for town housing as 100 people were bidding for one house even in bad areas! The councils should be building more social housing to accommodate people, but I do not agree that people should be forced to leave their homes of 16 years especially when they are in their 50’s-60’s because they are being penalised for having an extra bedroom. Many of these people have been made redundant from work or are unable to get jobs because of age discrimination or are living on low incomes or pensions! Many are probably already in a vulnerable situation…ie depressed,financially struggling etc…Why cause further great emotional and financial distress at this time of theirs lives…after the majority of them have worked hard all their life!
What annoys me is certain families who may have never worked in their life who are living in unsuitable accommodation yet still having more babies in order to make their housing situation even worse so they get a 3-4 bedroom house! …and then they have the strong opinion that we should financially force our elderly to move from their loving homes and put them in 1 bedroom accommodation!!!! That’s if it’s available on the housing list!!
I would love to have more children (as nearing 40!) but it’s currently not practical…so why are couples continuously having 4+kids whilst living in a social housing 2 bed flat & then complaining!!!
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Yes, Cyprus and maybe it’s set to get worse? How many moms/couples will decide to have another kiddy so they aren’t under occupied? It doesn’t bode well for the children or the housing crisis- or the country in general.
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I echo your sentiments 100% Cyprus. It seems like the responsible tenants are being treated like dirt. The government think they can just move us around, or expect us to take in lodgers. It’s despicable.
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If there was somewhere for them to go…
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Move to where? There are few one bedroom properties available, maybe you think they should move into a bedsit?
People forget that time and money has been spent on peoples homes, if we can no longer rely on being allowed to stay in them long term then the houses will not be cared for as well as they have been!
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spending time and money doesn’t come into it, home owners spend time and money, then they move and start again, it shouldn’t be any different for renters, many home owners downsize when the children move on, it’s a pretty normal thing to do!
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yes home owners spend money on their homes, they also usually sell their homes for a profit so get back the money they invested in the first place…how can you not see the difference…
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Homeowners usually move by choice; they aren’t expected to pay more for the right to a spare room.
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Homeowners also see a return on the improvements they make.
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it was only 7 years ago the housing association would pay you around £1500 to down size and give u a £50 decorating grant per room
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There are no one bedroom places!!!
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I will be affected too by this tax, I am a foster carer and have living with me,a,14 year old girl whom I will have until.she is 18 at least. I see that I wouldn’t be exempt and would be expected to move to a 1bed home. I don’t know how many 1bed homes our authority has but I would think not enough to rehouse everyone that has a spare room
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hi susan if its like were i live there ar no 1 bed houses only flats and round here they ar not very nice i was told i would go on a waiting list so would have to pay until i got somwere smaller .so i think i may have to give up caring and get a job but it dosent make sense the authoraty will have to pay full day and night cares for my reletives so in the end it will cost them more grrrr
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Susan you wouldn’t be expected to move, you would just be expected to pay the bt for the ‘spare room’
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Being a foster carer, hopefully the overspill would be covered for the child, just as all her other expenses are. Someone is going to have to put something into place for all the foster carers out there otherwise this is going to have a huge knock on effect, fingers crossed for you susan.
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i am a full time carer for 2 elderly reletives and get about £90 a week plus housing benefit i have lived in my house for 14 years it is a 3 bedroom but there is only me left and i dont want to move into a 1 bed flat could i get somone to move in as a house share dose anyone no plz
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you can’t do a ‘house share’ but you could get a lodger or two. you would lose the single person element of your counil tax claim (unless the lodger was a student) the first £20 (and 50% of the remaining if you provide some meals) is disregarded from your hb claim, until Oct 2013 when all income from lodgers (up to £80 a week) will be disregarded
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We r already goin 2 loose our single persons element of the council tax .
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. Debra if you have not allready seen it please take a look at this page.
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in our village there a lot of people who would like a bungalow they all live in three bedrooms houses .they applied when one came empty.and what did the housing association do let it to someone who came from yorkshire about 300 miles away,the housing gained nothing because the people from yorkshire did not leave a three bedroom property.and our associaton would not get that from yorkshire.the reason it was given to them because they had family close.pathetic.
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That’s “nothing” mrs Howells, I was on the waiting list for a long time to move and imagine my (and everyone elses anger) when the homes were allocated to eastern europeans (that were never on the housing list)
Please, if anyone’s reading this, DON’T pull the racist card on me, my family hail from migrant workers and I have black people in my family, it’s not about xenophobia it’s all about fairness!!! If someone from any other race/religion/colour was on the housing list before me then fair play to them, I wouldn’t begrudge them.
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i think there is a point here, migration to the uk is beyond a joke, why then don’t the government charge european countries more to support their population too, i have seen a baby boom amongst eastern european migrants resulting in them getting housing…
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Hi Diane it’s all too easy for people to call you racist because you point out the truth . My son is black and i have fought racism all my life but as soon as i mention the east europeans whether in housing or jobs….then imediatley i am a racist !
Face facts we need more council housing and there are far too many people already here who are desperately trying to get back into the few jobs that do exist to avoid the bedroom tax or being uprooted from their homes …
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a friend of mine and his 18 neighbours were relocated 4 yrs ago told the house were unsafe to live in and need bringing up to date and when complete there be given first refusal by he council 5 months after moving all 19 homes were sold to the general public with no work done at all
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This is truly disgusting, does anybody know what Labours views are on this, will they abolish it if they get in? I live in a 3 bedroom home, I have done for 25 years, I like my neighbourhood and my neighbours, I am a full time carer for my next door neighbour and when this comes in I maybe moved to a different town 10 miles away as the one bedroom house stock is very short in my town, has anyone been to the European court with this? this is very worrying, there will be vulnerable people out there who are suffering from depression there are all sorts of scenario’s, we all have local MP’s, mine is a Tory, we should all let them know what we think, I would seriously consider a “rent strike” and not pay the money that they are making people pay but then I suppose I would be evicted,
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As far as I can see Labour’s views are the cuts are necessary but too much too soon, so don’t expect anything to change with them. They are, after all Blairite closet Tories.
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Hi Everyone.
I don’t know if people are aware of this loop hole but if you have lived in your current home since 1996 you are exempt from the bedroom tax. Check it out people, a genuine loop hole.
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This bedroom tax is wrong in so many ways! I am 42 and lived on/off in the council house i am in now for 42 years, we started off as a family of 4, as a family we have paid enough rent to buy the house twice over and some, my mother left home when i was 16 and my father died in this house, i became ill with degenerative disc disease when i was 17, my brother moved out in his teens and got married and bought his own house, the house i live in is a very small 2 bed with garden in a not particularly nice area…i have worked my fingers to the bone over the years to keep the property up to scratch, with very little help from the council, i have spent thousands of pounds on carpets alone over the years, i have never been able to get a mortgage because of my health issues…so what now…
the government want me to become a landlord…?…i have to take in a tenant or i will be taxed, who is going to pay for the wear and tare? also it’s not always easy to live with people, who is going to sort these issues out? if we fall out who has rights of tenancy? the list goes on…
if i was forced to move where would i go? there aren’t enough 1 bed places to go to, i know cos i spent a year in a homeless hostel, if your a single male they will tell you that you will probably have to wait at least eight years before you can get a flat…
if i do ever get FORCED out of my council house, who is going to pay for my removal, i can’t do it i’m not well enough, it would cost at least a couple of thousand i’m sure…
i would be forced to rent privately as there are not enough one bedroom places, therefore it would cost the government almost 50% more to keep me there…
I AM NOT GOING TO MOVE! i will have to get rid of my two pet cats, i will have to go with out heating at times, reduce my food bill, i already only eat one main meal a day, this WILL and IS having a detrimental affect on my health…
there are much much much better ways of addressing this issue, are we going back to the old times of bedsit land, are we pressuring people to turn to crimes like fraud, are the government going to split up families and communities, are the government going to loose at least 700,000 voters, not including friends and families who strongly disagree with this tax to the most vulnerable in society, i’ve already had some of my treatment cut as part of the austerity measures, this will break me i’m sure as it will many other decent law abiding citizens, like it or not, i can not see how this tax will save money in the long term, it will only divide people even more, us and them, it will put many people on the poverty line and a lot of people will have mental and physical breakdowns…
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im in the same boat only diffrence is i cant afford to cook so make do on sandwiches
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oh and btw, my spare room is just about big enough to swing a cat in, i need a spare room because if i am ever lucky enough to find someone to settle down with i am impossible to sleep with, a spare room is a must for me, also, what do i charge for the spare room…? do i have to charge full rent…? is that fair…?…
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Hi I live in a two bedroom house with four kids 2 boys and 2 girls there are a lot of houses in my area with older people in like 4 bedroom houses when there is only 1 or 2 people living in them I think it’s fair to ask someone to downsize they could live on the same street if they exchanged with a family of the same street I work hard pay my rent and council tax but there are just no homes big enough at the moment for us so yes I think people should downsize a house is bricks and mortor a home is what u make it no matter where u are
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Hi jack i agree with you in principle, only ive been on the waiting list to downsize for over a decade, also tried exchange sites and bidding to no avail, so not everyone is holding on to there under occupied properties purposely,
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i have been on the downsize list for a while as well but i dont think its fair that people who want to downsize should have to pay while the council find you somewhere i had someone come only a 2 days ago to look at mine then i get a text saying they think its to small i have tryed so hard to exchange form mine its doing my head in
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well said Jack, half the (3 bed) houses on my road are occupied by just one or two people, unfortunatley most of them are OAPs so they get to stay and families remain overcrowded
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I do think you have a fair point if someone could get into the same area or the same street, however who pays for the move, who pays for all the upgrades one has done to a house they called a home. If i moved do i rip up the garden, take down the lean too i installed, remove and sell of my birds that keep me sane, how about my dogs that offer me comfort, do i rehome them after 5 years or euthernise them. I like others have suffered in flats too small for myself, or in squalid accommodation before I moved from a housing association to council via a trade. You see I was not eligible for council housing with my children even though they were separate sex, I was in a 1 bedroom with them both, all I could fit in that room was a bed and cot, my cupboards were put under the stairs and the other flats had full access to my flat via the back door. So yes I have been there done that for 4 years before i got my first house. ive been in my council home for 11 years, and to me it really is where i wish to end my life. I will never move again regardless to what happens now. I am disabled, my son is disabled, we are not exempt from the bedroom tax. By the way, this may be classed as a 3 bedroom house, but be assured, it’s more like 2 rooms and a cot room and even then the 2nd bedroom you cannot get a double bed in, only a single bed or bunks, you could get away with 2 sets of bunks, but thats it.
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I agree, i think there are too many single people in 3 bed houses, i know people that are on benefits that are better off than i am and i go to work. Its only right that they have to pay, why should they have 2 spare bedrooms when theres people like my family – 4 of us living in a 1 bed flat because private landlords charge extortionate amounts of rent which we can’t afford even though both myself and my husband work for a living. We’ve been on the council waiting list for 4 years! also people keep banging on about the elderly – this bedroom tax only affects working age!! It does’nt matter what the government does they always get it wrong and they can’t please everybody
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Yes, it’s a great life on benefits. If you are on JSA you have to get by on £71 a week, unless you are under 25, in which case it’s £56 a week.
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I live in a two bedroom and when I moved in 3yrs ago the council new that there’s was only me movin in ,so I am askin them for a one bedroom .
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Point 1/Where are all these smaller properties that “people should move in to ?)Point 2/ Does this mean then that tenants are nothing more than scum who should give up their HOMES !!! while those who own a house will not be expected to move ??Point 3/ If you think being on low hours/low wages or being reduced to benefits is so great !? Would you like to swap lives ??? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:36:23 +0000 To: fisherpat@live.co.uk
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people dont have to leave their homes they just have to contribute a small amount its not like they have to pay all of it!, i have done low paid jobs and struggled to pay my rent so i know what its like, i’ve worked since i was 16 years old and i’m now 42. people get too much for free these days, thats my opinion.
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You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion veazer. However, it’s not a small amount if you are on JSA – £11 or £22 out of £71 a week. Many of the people who find themselves on JSA, take those in their 50s, have paid Tax and NI all their lives. They have paid for their HB for when circumstances beyond their control hit them, be it redundancy or illness. In the past 2 years 92% of new HB claimants are in work. Most people out of work are looking for work, but it’s not easy in current circumstances, is it?
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veazer…yes people will have to leave their homes because finding another £100 a month will be impossible for a lot of us, leading to rent arrears and eviction, that’s the whole point of it not being a fair tax, i’ve worked hard all my life and paid a hell of a lot of tax, i have struggled year in year out to pay my rent, yet you want to see my home taken from me because you think i’m a dole cheating ponce! your beef is with people who abuse the system, most of those are not affected by this bedroom tax! and those who are are very happy to take in a lodger, who isn’t working and claiming more benefits! it’s an idiot tax, thought up at random by public schoolboy idiots who are so far removed from ordinary society that they have lost contact with reality…
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i don’t think anyone disagrees with you jack, you should be able to get the right sized house at a price that you can afford, have you tried going for an exchange, as far as i can see there are bigger homes out there looking to downsize on the exchange web sites. i still do not think that turfing people out of their homes is the answer though
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ok, so everyone swaps homes, will this solve the problem…? what about the next generation of people needing larger homes…? what about all the single homeless people that have been waiting years to get a home, decent hard working people that just can not afford a private place…it’s a nonsense tax made up on the spot and not very well thought through…
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i honestly don’t think that many people will actually give up their homes, i know i wont, this is just a money grabbing tax, will this new tax go towards building new homes, i doubt it very much, it will just go towards easing the economic crisis and the lack of affordable social housing will still exist…
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i am going to have to give up my home been trying for a while as i dont need the extra rooms but there are a lot off time wasters out there when i have to pay the tax i will have to live on 20 pound a week
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sometimes the problem is the council, if someone is not eligible for your home they will not allow the trade, it’s not always those that are time wasters, had this done to myself via the council as the ones wishing to move wanted smaller, however the council insisted they needed an extra bedroom, the council would not allow someone wishing to downsize swap with me 12 years ago to go ahead
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All these draconian measures mean is properties will not be properly maintained by the decent tenants out there. For example gardens will not be kept tidy and those small repairs that the tenant does rather than report it as a fault won’t get done meaning the Council/Housing Association then has to send a contractor out to make the repair which will mean more cost to the Council/Housing Association which will be passed onto the tenant in the form of rent that’s not to mention the interior decorating that will not get done because tenants will think “Why should I fix it/report it when it’s not my house? The next tenant can do it.”
I lived with my parents for 19 years in a Council house and thankfully we was in a position to purchase it from them under the right to buy scheme in 2003. I’m married now and moved away my mother has also since passed away leaving my father living alone and while these changes would not effect him as he’s above pensionable age it angers me that people will be punished just because their families have grown up and flown the nest or they have suffered the bereavement of a partner.
Those living in social housing will adopt a couldn’t care less attitude towards the property they live in. Pride will go out of the decent estates out there leading to the creation of more sink estates which there are already enough of in many inner city areas.
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Well said Roy ,i really didn’t know where to start on what to say about all this but it looks like you and many many others have summed it up nicely. The problem is most people will not listen until it’s too late, they think it’s too ridiculous and so will do nothing !
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not many people on here seem to use exchange sites like homeswapper i fully understand people not wanting to leave there homes but for those that do it gives you more choice and freedom of movement .This is often not pointed out by landlords as they want to place you where it is convenient to them and put whoever they want into your property.If you have a large home you will get the pick of the properties in your area .dont forget you have the RIGHT to exchange it is not up to your landlord to decide
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Click to access Taking_in_a_lodger_1.pdf
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my housing ass just rang me to ask me if i was going to a meeting on sat, i asked them why they are ringing me as normally i would get a letter inviting me, the reply was…management are on our case to get as many tenants as we can to attend so they can explain things, you have heard about the under occupancy right…
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I live in a 3 bedroom semi detached house however my council tenancy states its a 4 bedroom although I have a tiny kitchen, no seperate dining room and only one down stairs toilet, also one of the rooms is so small it can only hold a single bed but no wardrobe or dresser.
I have 5 children at home aged between 20 and 4 years. Are accommadation is very cramped. I have been on the mutal exchange list for over 2 years.
I finally found someone with a 5 bedroom property who needs to downsize, has a disabled child and is also disabled, living two roads away from me. Our Children attend the same school.
We applied to our local council for consent to exchange properties, and were turned down as she was told she would be over occupying by 1 room. This does not make any sense to me as her property like mine is really a 4 bedroom property although her rental agreement stated its a 5.
If she was granted the exchange I would not be overcrowded and she would only have 1 extra room. She receives disability living allowance and has some disabled adaptations to her property, I am self employed and work and pay my rent and council tax.
My oldest is in full time education,, however she still lives at home, and although she is not working at present has never claimed benefits.
I cannot see the logic in insisting she stay in a 5 bedroom property and pay for the 2 extra rooms out of her benefit, when we need it and I pay my rent.
I have two 16 years one girl, one boy, a 6 year old and a 4 year old. the 3 boys share the small double, my younger daughter is in the box room, and my older daughter is in the other small double. We have no storage space so I have 3 wardrobes and a single bed in my room.
Does anyone know what me and my neighbour can do to appeal against this decision as we are both willing to fight for our tenancies to be changed to meet their correct description, so we can go ahead with the exchange.
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i believe the criteria for a bedroom is that it has to be over 70m2 or something like that, you could appeal that the extra room is in fact not big enough, plus write a detailed letter explaining the facts
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There is no prescribed size, if the tenancy agreements states it is a one, two, three etc then, sadly, it is. Ask for reclassification from the landlord and an amended tenancy agreement
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crazy decisions isn’t it, I’d try fighting it, is it little wonder that some folk just do an exchange without permission!
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Not much as her’s has been adapted for disabled 😦 I also had this happen to me 12 years ago, it seems their understanding has not altered in any way, we also tried to appeal but was told no under no circumstances. Seems stupid doesn’t it when you both wish the trade. I would expect they would be wanting to put other disabled into her house rather than pay out for more adapt ions or removal of the alterations.
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When I heard that the Tories had been voted into power, the first thing that came to my mind was “Will the british people never learn?” Why vote into power, a party that have a record of making the lives of the poor and middle class as miserable as they possibly could. You all let your hate of the Labour party make you side with the conservatives. Well, live with it. You made ur bed so lay on it.
By the way, Americans are about to make the same mistakes. They have soon forgotten how bad the country was when Obama took over. Obama has basically put down a solid foundaation and now that it is time for him to start building on it, the Americans want to vote in a rich boy who is only interested in helping his rich friends. Mitt Romney has categorically said he is not isinterestedin the pooerer 47% of the population.
My point is vote out the conservatives, and make sure they dontget in for atleast another 2o yrs if not, then this is just the beginning of your woes
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Right, said Fred. I cannot understand how the largest group of voters in the country, the working class coninue to belive Tory lies.
But let’s not forget, Fred that they are a minority govt. who weren’t really elected; colusion by the LibDems put them there. Let’s not forget that, and not for 20 years- let’s keep them out for 200 years.
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Strange to think that the majority of our electorate voted the current coalition government into power in the first place. They are the children of Thatcher and have basically just mirrored her ignorant anti poor policies which originated in the eighties. How could anyone have expected anything else from them? We should remember though the real cause of our huge social housing shortage was the mass sale of council property at ridiculously reduced values. Tax payers had subsidised the building of these houses/ flats and are now supposed to subsidise the building of new stock to replace what was sold off. Seems highly unfair upon those whom were forced to buy their homes through the private sector where no such reduced cost is or was ever available.Sorry, but just think there are some people who need reminding that they were happy enough to support Thatchers policies when they allowed them to buy their own council home, but object now when there is a massive shortage of affordable housing which affects their next generation.
How on earth did you think the next generation was ever going to be housed affordably?
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if voting made a difference they would make it illegal 😉 🙂
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i have been hit with paying the bedroom tax i will have to live on 20 pound a week but i am willing to down size but will still have to pay till the council find me somethink which could take years so i will have to sit in the dark and have no heating for years and go down bins to get food and maybe rob to live
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Have you seen our facebook page? https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/364763500284084/?comment_id=364765123617255¬if_t=group_comment
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I agree i live in a four bed house im disabled my husband is my carer we have lived here for 17years brought up five children done the house and garden up to a good standard we would like to downsize but a one bedroom is to small as sometimes with my condition i need my own space im losing sleep worrying about where we will find the money for this bedroom tax why are the rich not being made to give up their expensive houses or two would david cameron live in a one bed flat or he survive on benefits. Make it fair not everyone wants to be on benefits we are not jeremy kyle people stop tarring us with the same brush.
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If you did an exchange you wold be able to take a 2 bed then only have bt on one room
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Please let everyone know about this page :https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/364763500284084/?comment_id=364765123617255¬if_t=group_comment
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from what i’ve been reading i have no idea how this tax is going to work, many people saying that have tried to down size and can’t and visa versa, many people saying they are going into serious hardship rather than give up their beloved nests, a lot of people just don’t understand it all, i’ve not been happy with how my local council have been treating me since, they seem like they are really forcing this on people, they say it is to save money but i can’t see how, if you rent a spare room for £4600 a year you can earn £4700 tax free and this will not affect your benefit and they will still have to pay your rent, it’s not helping social housing at all…hang on…should i charge extra for breakfast, maybe £10-£15 for washing, chuck in another couple of quid for dinner every day…wow i’m raking it in…legally…what if we don’t get on…? who’s gonna spend all the time and money trying to sort that out….why not just cut my benefits by 20% and have done with it and leave me to live in peace like i have for the past 42 years with my neuromuscular condition…someone point out the sense in this tax…
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https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ please join us Henry if you have a facebook account
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signed already 🙂
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Henry, I’d love to point out the sense of the bedroom tax to you, but as I am not a politician or a multi-millionaire I’m afraid I can’t!
By the way, Pat’s link is to a FaceBook support group, not the petition, which I thank you for signing.
Anybody reading who is interested in signing the petition, it’s here:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Paul_Higgins/?caWNWbb
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i’m on the support group as well 🙂 …funny thing… i just got a phone call from a guy saying that he was calling on behalf of my local council to do a survey and asked me if there where any 16-29 year olds living in the premises that they could talk to, i said no, they then asked if there would be any in later on, i said theres nobody here but me and that i had just answered that question, he said oh ok and promptly hung up…i thought hang on…why didn’t he ask me if i was under 29…so he must have known my age…very suspicious…and the number was with held…are the council giving out my details to survey groups…?
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Or are the council checking up on occupancy? I advise anybody receiving a similar call to give no information, and to just say you are not interested and ask how they got your number as it may contravene the data POrotection Act and you may pass the information to the Information Commissioner to investigate. they will in probability hang up, but if they don’t, just wait for their reply, note details if you do wish to notify the commissioner and hang up yourself.
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thanks for that, i was going to ask some questions but i wasn’t given a chance! he could tell i wasn’t happy, i might email my council to ask them why they are giving my details out but i’m sure they will come out with something stupid…good advice carcass 🙂
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Whenever I receive unsolicited calls, I never, ever give any information; if they ask for me by name I ask who is calling- I never confirm or deny; if they quote my number, again I never confirm or deny. Always answer a question with a question- who are you; who are YOU; is this [telephone number]; didn’t you dial it? Etc.
If they seem genuine, ask them to contact you by mail- but don’t give them your address! If they say they don’t have your address ask how they know who they are talking to then, and ask for their details and you may contact them.
Finally, as I said above, ask how they got your info (my number is ex-directory- for all the good that does!), state it may contravene the Data Protection Act and you may wish to contact the Information Commissioner. That usually shakes them!
It takes some practice to get this right- it is easy, when somebody sounds official or convincing to automatically answer; it will come in time and non-compliance will become second nature.
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I dont give the council my number 1 That way if they want anything they can write and i got proof of what they said
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i try not to give out my number, i’ve had rows with my council before about contacting me, i like everything by letter too and have told them before to contact me via letter, they either just turn up or put a card through the door along with all the pizza leaflets and what not…
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They conveniently forget they’ve got rid of their cashiers and send people to hammer on the door even though i’ve paid the current weeks attempt at keeping up with my rent arrears at the post office
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How can you have 3 houses in same street all excatly the same occupied by a couple one has not to pay they are pensioners the other 2 have to pay 25% of the rent now one is council and it works out at £100 a week payment going to be £25.00 the other one is private rent and private rent is £200.00 they have to pay £50.00 out their benefit private landlord council not losing out but 2 households are out of 3 and the othere couple are terrified in case the same is going to happen to them. People are sick with worry wondering where they are going to find the money to pay for this.I was told a minimum amount to live of after housing ect paid for Im in fuel poverty as it is now in housing poverty cant afford to move and council got nowhere to move me to.
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page. If you have facebook Anne please join us if you haven’t allready.
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I know I may be stupid but I only found out about this last week I work and pay my rent.i moved last Christmas downsizing from a three bed house to a two bed flat.i spent all my savings on doing it up as I intended to live here the rest of my life and wanted it nice like my house was.i am 56 and wanted it to be homely and have my grandchildren to stay.may I say I don’t go out and they are my only enjoyment.my point is why was this not pointed out to me when I moved only 10months ago I have wasted all the money I had I can never afford to do it again.i agree with the person who said homes will not be looked after anymore anyway they won’t be homes will they.i have stopped the work I was having done on the garden I can’t afford to waste anymore money.also like the other person said If I am forced out I will not be leaving my flat in the immaculat condition it is now I.i feel devastated I hav just had a few days off as since I had the letter last week I have had a persistent headache and sickness caused by stress.i have never worried so much in all my life I can’t sleep.
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That’s also my point. Some of us spend money on our property. I’m not prepared to do my place up for someone to come and enjoy that for me to go to some dump thats smaller. Cant see this system working really.
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You know what annoys me…you are not allowed by law to remove anything that is fitted…that includes any adaptations, garden flooring, patio, kitchen, in fact any improvements that are made to the accommodation, have to by law be left…and unless you have any of those in writing by the council and the fact they will reimburse if you leave the property..they have to stay there and you lose…thats why lots will not leave.
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Absolutely right. We take care of our homes, spend a lot of money making it a fit place to live, .. it’s true when they say “An Englishmans home is his castle”, they just expect us to move out to a smaller place ( which in many cases doesn’t even exist). I live in a 10 story block, and lived up here for nearly 30 years, I’ve spoken to about 7 or 8 other residents who are going to be affected by the BT, and not one of them has said they are willing to move to a smaller dwelling, also,some of these people have their children and grandchildren staying with them at weekends, the whole plan is totally unworkable, leaving us to pay money we can barely afford, for our extra room.
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Dorothy, if you are paying all of your rent and not getting any housing benefit the bedroom tax will not affect you…………..if it does please see my reply to Anne above and join us if you have a facebook account. Also if BT is to affect you and you are getting these signs of stress we are urging people to visit their GP’s and tell them what is going on. MIND the mental health charity are
also interested in hearing from people who are being affected by stress depression and anxiety because of the welfare reforms!
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Does anyone know the ramifications of refusing to pay this bedroom tax?, Can our local council evict us if we refuse to pay. I have spoken to quite a few people who are simply going to refuse to pay it. I’m quite a law abiding person and i will probably pay up, even though it will mean making a drastic cut to my already meagre standard of living. ( I’ve paid so much rent on my flat over a few decades before losing my job, it would be a massive wrench to leave my lovely flat .. this is my home!!). I really dont think the government have taken the human aspect of this new welfare act into consideration, leaving your home is a huge personal sacrifice, memories friends etc. Taking in a lodger is also out of the question for many people who prefer to be on their own, it can ruin your life.
We are being treated like cattle, this is one of the most outrageous acts any government has ever dreamed up.
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Hi tommy, just by reading most of these comments, to be honest, i cant see it working at all. If they cut down anymore we will all be living in tents there’s not enough properties to enable people to move about. They should be building more council houses, let’s face it, when we pay our rent they don’t put much back in to it for us they’ve got to make profits by renting out.
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maybe this is to try and make people go out to work to earn money then they would be able to afford to pay a few pounds towards having a roof over their head, WHY DO PEOPLE EXPECT EVERYTHING FOR FREE!!!! the government are trying to claw back some money beinmg as this housing benefit is costing them millions and at the same time getting back some council stock, why can’t people see that?
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Council Housing isn’t free is it? The government is doing nothing of the sort. It’s demonising people on benefit. It’s stupid economic policy is pushing up benefit. The only way to get HB down is to create jobs, not sack hundreds of thousands of public sector workers. Why isn’t the government supporting building new Council Housing? That’s the only way to tackle the shortage. Most of the people who are unemployed want work. The problem is that there are 2.5 million unemployed, plus 1.38 million people who are only in part-time work because they can’t find a full-time job.
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There is lots of empty 3 bedroom houses Cowgate Newcastle why r these empty…..?
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Stop tarring everybody with the same brush, there are people out there who would gladly work if they could, and what about the disabled is it right to target them because they cant work, one day you might be singing from a different song sheet, because it could happen to anyone, i,m sure people love getting by on benefits,while the people who made this change enjoy a life of luxury, where do your loyalties lie?
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Are you for real? What about the billions going abroad to tax havens, sanctioned by Osborne’s legislation; how about these rich buggers paying a decent amount of tax on their fortunes so poor people can be provided for.
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veazer, if the government wanted to claw back some money then why not just put our rents up, why pick on the sick and vulnerable…can you understand that huh…can you understand that it would cost the government more to house me in the private sector, how will the government save money! our local homeless hostel has a four week waiting list to get in! a single mum will wait a year to be rehoused, a single male will wait up to ten years to get a one bedroom place! the only place for me to go is a private flat that will cost the government a lot lot more…
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i am currentley living in a two bedroom adapted property with my husband who is disabled . i am his sole carer and because of this i will have to pay rent , when infact im actually saving the goverment money by being his carer and not insisting that we use a external carer for which the goverment would pay for. i was told if i had a external carer i would be exempt from the bedroom tax but the local housing said if i changed to a external carer now i would be classed as a cheat of the system but i ask you where is the sence in spending more money to save when we can stay the same and save more.they should be provisions for the disabled who have had thousands of pounds spent on there property to keep them in them safe in thier homes. but i was told down size or pay the bedroom tax insisting i move from the property i have lived in for 25 years.As it stands we are on benifit of which the goverment says is the bare amount you need to live on so when you take in to account the bedroom tax i would recieve less than what the goverment says in THE MINIMUM AMOUNT TO LIVE ON IS …
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It only goes to show the inhumanity of these people. 66% of households affected by the bedroom tax have a disabled person in the household.
I don’t know what area you live in but it’s worth putting in for the ‘Discretionary Housing Payment’. Each local authority is waiting to hear how much grant they will receive for this. Their won’t be enough to go round but it’s worth you trying.
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it’s outrageous David, as you have pointed out, you are actually saving the government money in your current situation. This whole thing just beggars belief, I wouldn’t be suprised if this welfare act came about by someone in an office number crunching, and it looked like a good idea on paper, in reality it’s ruining people’s lives, and forcing people to live well below the poverty line.
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my husband and i have lived in our 3bed home with our two boys for 16yrs and continue to do so even thou our boys have left home with children of their own both myself and husband have never claimed benifits since living here as we have always worked full.time until 5yrs ago when i was very ill in hospital and was laid off my job as a carer of 32yrs
so now am ckassed as disabled at 55 my husband worked up until a year ago wgen he had a bad acccident in his lorry and was laid off work at the age of 67 so he now has st
ate pension but i am worried out off ny mind as i am under workibg age there is no way we cab afford to move as we turned a seni derelect house into our home abd spent a lot of money niw we face homlessness as we wont be abke to affird to live here esoecially if my incapacity benifit is stopped
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We too spent a lot of money on our council home. If we moved out and a large family moved in to this they would be well pleased with the well maintained condition it’s in. What would we get in return and where would the area be. I honestly can’t see this ‘new idea’ working at all. They should take a look at the system of ‘exchanging by mutual agreement’. At least there’s more choice there.
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/antibedroomtax/ you may be interested in this FB page.
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As I understand it, Josephine if your husband is in reciept of his pension, then it won’t affect you; if, however he is recieving pension credits, then come October 2013 he will have to claim Universal Credit and you will be expected to contribute part of your HB.
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ITS terrible that so many people will be affected by these decronian rules.will be back tothe victorian times of overcrowding,illness, poverty and crime. The poor being used as scapegoats. ITS the working class squeeze to promote the wealthy towsrds higher riches. I am worried as im in a 3 bed property,and will hve to pay 25% next year. cant sleep wondering about having a hme, food or heating. lotsog people had cuts to benefits due to private company atos, using unscrupulous tactics, to say they are fit to work, then they hve lost benefits and home.
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We live in a 3 bedroom council house , we have raised four kids here lost one along the way sadly the other 3 have flown the nest , my wife has severe Emphysema and is on oxygen i have Heart disease and Polycythemia ( blood disease ) .
We are of course on benefits i worked in the coal mines for 17 years before i was Toried by Thatcher, i had a host of jobs after that i was never scared of hard work before illness struck me .
Now of course we have to move after 26 years in the house, now let me be clear we were going to wait till my wife was 60 then apply for a bungalow, we always believed another family should be allowed to bring their kids up in this house as we have, but the way it is being done is cruel and unfair and once again the Tory’s are at work, but what has made this whole thing worse is that the Lib Dems have propped them up, i urge you all to send them into oblivion at the next election they are nothing more than power hungry backside lickers who have sold their souls for limo’s and high office along with the people who voted for them although that was very few .
Tomorrow myself and my wife will view a one bed apartment rented out by our local housing Association, our council has no where near enough one bedroom homes and can not keep up with the demand for them, i need not go into things such as the needs for more social housing to be built it’s been said enough on here and rightly so, i believe there will be rent arrears like never before along with over run county courts issuing eviction orders like never before , i believe that there will be riots on the streets starting in the inner City’s and spreading all over the country, the police wont be able to control it they to have suffered huge cut backs and may think why should we ? .
The poll tax was smashed because over one million people took to the streets of London they brought the evil witch Thatcher down, it needs to happen again, i do not condone riots like those last year that were in the main without reason, but there is a huge reason for people to protest now not just for the bedroom tax but for cuts to the poor and to decent working people who face the dole and years off misery under this cruel Government , get off your knee’s Britian and fight back hard .
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Could you all please sign this petition thanks .
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Paul_Higgins/
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Mick i agree with every word, it will come to protesting, those who don’t believe this is going to happen are going to get a nasty shock . I think there was a rumour the council were going to force people out but they couldn’t do that because many people signed a tenency for life! so then it was said that it would affect only new tenents, which i think may have been fairer as people living in homes for years and doing them up spending money on them, not to mention their family , friends, should not be expected to move. Maybe they could offer an incentive for some people to move if they want to, this could be money for re decorating, carpets, ect so they wouldn’t lose out. This does not affect me but whos to say it might not in the future, that’s what we should all be thinking about!!!
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What i failed to address though was that if they started this rule with new tenents they are very unlikely to bother looking after their properties for someonre else to benefit later. T he more i try to come up with answers the more ridiculours it gets, it really can’t be done.
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I live in a 3 bedroomed house with my grown-up son. he has mental problems so he is unable to work, i have heart problems and recieve incapacity benefit backed up by income support. I myself recieve just £75.00 a week. I already have reduced housing benefit because my son lives at home. he gives the money to pay the extra rent. However we are still considered to be under occupying because i have one spare bedroom. I have a neighbour who lives in a 4 bedroomed house, but because he is 63 it does not affect him. He is in good health and could under occupy for another 20 or so years. Plus he sleeps downstairs so the 4 bedrooms are empty. He does not have to pay and i do. This is so unfair. How can they do this. Its rediculous. I am going to really struggle when this comes into affect. There are going to be riots also next year. The riots in London in 2011 will be nothing compared to whats comming. it is going to get worse.
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i have lived and worked in the same town all my life i’m english, never been in trouble or and debt yet me and my 9 year old child have been on the council house waiting list for over 8 years but i’m still at the bottom of the list,as i’ve always private rented i’m told i’ll always be at the bottom of the list and will have to carry on private renting for the rest of my life ,which was fine when me and my childs dad were both working full time,but when we split and i became a single mum and i lost my job and had to claim housing benefit i had to pay the short fall of £25 a week in rent out if my jobseekers as the is a limit on the housing benefit did not cover my rent,so why shouldn’t people with council homes payout the same shortfall as us that are made to private rent,i have to pay exrta and i haven’t even got a spare bedroom.i now work full time and i have to pay £650 a month in rent on a 2 bed flat and £100 a month in council tax out of my wages(i only get £15 a week housing benefit and no council tax benefit),i’m on min wage so life is a struggle all the time, but is impossible on benefits.i would give anything to have a council home where i only had to pay £100 a week rent on a house!!!!but i’m never going to be that luckly. so just give a thought to those that are not working and not allowed a council home and are made to private rent,as they already have to pay rent shortfall out of their benefits as the as local house allowence has never covered the whole rent as most landlords charge the earth.i’m at the moment looking into renting a one bed flat and me and child will have to share a bedroom but even then i’ll still have to pay way more rent than anyone with a council place!!!
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Mandy, the answer to the question is not that Council tenants should be treated as badly as private tenants. There should retn controls in private rented accommodation to stop exploitative landlords. The rents are so high that it is driving up the HB bill – its more or less a subsidy for private landlords. Stupid.
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Totally with you on this one! I have also been told that I will have to wait until a bigger place becomes available that could be years because you get people in social housing with spare rooms that refuse to downsize! a lot of them on benefits that us workers pay to keep each month as well as being worse off! I am glad they are bringing in this tax and I hope it forces these selfish people to downsize so that people in need of extra space can have it
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There is little, if any, difference between the working poor and the unemployed. WFTC is welfare in exactly the same way as income support and housing benefit. If you don’t get tax credits then presumably you’re poor anyway, despite being in work, or you would buy a house instead of waiting for one on a social housing list. Don’t see why you see yourself as being more deserving than someone on benefits who has occupied a council house for many years and spent a lot of money on their home. You’ll still receive the same ridiculously high rent subsidy when you eventually are able to occupy one. Thats a massive advantage which people who are forced to buy houses in the private sector certainly dont receive.
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Sarah smith, the problem largely lies with there not being enough smaller properties to move into.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/406238062772006/
There are lots of people willing to move, but have been unable to who have been waiting long before these changes to benefits.
And as Martin Wicks said, we are talking about homes, not just bricks and mortar.
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mandy…hang on…how about give a thought to your babies father, he should be made to pay the shortfall not us council tenants who have had nothing to do with this, who have done nothing wrong, yet we are being made to pay it…the government want us to think like this…don’t be fooled by it…
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